I've been playing the Greek World the last week or so and I can never get better than a time victory. I mostly play Romans, and my first few turns I secure Syracuse, Marsaill(sp?) and the three etruscan cities. I tried going agressive from the start, but without cats I cant take the greek cities and without a decent fleet the phoenecians slaughter me. I've been trying to build up forces until the 100 turn left mark then launching attacks, but cannot secure enough land to get the domination win (population is a different story).
Need tips on Greek World scenario pls.
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SkippyT
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Well, my experience of playing Rome is this:
Cyrus starts well with destroying Babylonia easily since Nebucadrezzar only has archers and Cyrus immortals, and getting Mesopotamia. Alexander defeats Cyrus and is the best for the rest of the game. You can expand to west if you want but that's not good. Praetorians are powerful and those barbs can't defend, but expanding northwards and westwards is not a wise move. At this point Babylon has fallen to Persia and Greece is Macedonian and Alex preparing an attack on Persia [which he will dominate]
You better play as Alex or Cyrus because if you play as Cyrus you can beat India and the other nations before Alex becomes too powerful and starts expanding towards Asia. You've gotta get Little-Asia (Turkey) as quickly as you can and guard those cities VERY well because Alex will eventually attack. After doing that you can start winning Palestine, getting Palestine, Syria and Egypt easily and you've got yourself a domination victory in a few turns! after Cyrus's creative powers provide extra land with culture boost
[Monarch game]
Alex's best victory chances are NOT defeating Peracles immediatly. Get Little-Asia before Cyrus gets there and get what you can of Mesopotamia. Defend your cities with phlanxes so Cyrus can't attack. And attack with phlanxes and swordsmen so Cyrus can't defend. Winning Persia shouldn't be too difficult with a proper army. After this you must start building culture and getting more land mass to get domination victory
My advise: Play Cyrus
Cyrus starts well with destroying Babylonia easily since Nebucadrezzar only has archers and Cyrus immortals, and getting Mesopotamia. Alexander defeats Cyrus and is the best for the rest of the game. You can expand to west if you want but that's not good. Praetorians are powerful and those barbs can't defend, but expanding northwards and westwards is not a wise move. At this point Babylon has fallen to Persia and Greece is Macedonian and Alex preparing an attack on Persia [which he will dominate]
You better play as Alex or Cyrus because if you play as Cyrus you can beat India and the other nations before Alex becomes too powerful and starts expanding towards Asia. You've gotta get Little-Asia (Turkey) as quickly as you can and guard those cities VERY well because Alex will eventually attack. After doing that you can start winning Palestine, getting Palestine, Syria and Egypt easily and you've got yourself a domination victory in a few turns! after Cyrus's creative powers provide extra land with culture boost
[Monarch game]Alex's best victory chances are NOT defeating Peracles immediatly. Get Little-Asia before Cyrus gets there and get what you can of Mesopotamia. Defend your cities with phlanxes so Cyrus can't attack. And attack with phlanxes and swordsmen so Cyrus can't defend. Winning Persia shouldn't be too difficult with a proper army. After this you must start building culture and getting more land mass to get domination victory
My advise: Play Cyrus
scottcstoness
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I've never even come close to the domination victory, because there is so much land. Don't you need like 40% or something? All the land settled by the "major" civilizations doesn't amount to that much, and settlers are insanely costly in the scenario to go settle iberia, gaul, and germany.
I've "won" a conquest victory with the Romans, and later on with the Persians. I say "won", because I beat all of the civs, it said there are 0 opponents left, but I didn't win. At that point I figured that to "win" I had to beat all of the "minor" civs too, and I didn't have enough time left to go crush the Germans. Sadly, a couple months later, I did the same thing with the Persians. In that game, I probably had time to go take out the germans and whatever the gold coloured civ in the crimea is, but didn't bother because I'd been building shrines instead of military units for about 20 turns to save time.
Easiest conquest is probably with Persia:
Early Strategy:
1) send two immortals and an archer straight north to take that city.
2) send an archer and a settler SW to found a city on the coast with access to flood plains. Later on irrigate them; this is a worker factory for me.
3) build Persian capital where it is. build a granary and a barracks and then start pumping out immortals. When you hook up to the Copper nearby, start pumping out axemen.
4) send all your other immortals into India, and take out the city between you and India, then both indian cities. AFter India, go north of the mountains, and start taking out the barbarian cities there. The one directly north of india looks like crap, but mine 2 grassland mountains, build a barracks, and it will pump out a vetran immortal every 3 turns for the entire game.
I usually wait until I've taken all the barbarian cities in the north before attacking babylon. You want to make sure you have a pretty good mixed army. I usually build:
Elephants in the northern indian city.
Archers in the southern indian city and the city south of that.
Axemen in the capital.
Horse archers in one of the two cities in the plains to the north, immortals in the other.
Swordsmen in the city two north of the capital, though this probably should be axemen -- I just like to build some of every unit, and you almost have to build all the others.
Spearmen in one city somewhere.
The most southern babylonian city pumping out workers.
Babylon pumping out workers unless they get a great engineer; then build the shrine with him and pump out missionaries.
Build Immortals *everywhere* else. Never attack anybody with anything but an immortal unless you have > 90% odds or you are attacking a spearman.
Get every immortal both flanking promotions. Then they retreat 60% of the time. This means that even if you attack at 0% odds to win, they have a 60% chance of surviving. You'll absolutely own anything that isn't a spearman. These guys can take down Prats (it takes a few, but only 40% of them die).
Take out arabia reasonably early, or you'll end up with arabia full of spearmen, which are nasty, because your main force will be immortals.
In terms of Arabia, and Egypt when you get there, and even north of Macedon/Greece: get the visibility promotion on some of your immortals and get rid of the fog of war. The barbarians in Africa are absolutely nasty.
Also, beware that at about 1AD barbarians stacks will start showing up randomly in places that you didn't think they could, so make sure you have a couple archers in every city.
Once you've got enough of the immortals running around, you just need to wait for the axemen to catch up when you run into spears. Note that you can take down a str 5 spearman in a city on a hill with about 7-8 immortals; bring 10 to help the 4 or 5 which retreated heal. You lose a *lot* of immortals (I think I lost well over 50 of them over the course of the game), but most of your crap cities will be building one every 3,4, or 5 turns. Better cities build more expensive units, or archers for defense.
I've "won" a conquest victory with the Romans, and later on with the Persians. I say "won", because I beat all of the civs, it said there are 0 opponents left, but I didn't win. At that point I figured that to "win" I had to beat all of the "minor" civs too, and I didn't have enough time left to go crush the Germans. Sadly, a couple months later, I did the same thing with the Persians. In that game, I probably had time to go take out the germans and whatever the gold coloured civ in the crimea is, but didn't bother because I'd been building shrines instead of military units for about 20 turns to save time.
Easiest conquest is probably with Persia:
Early Strategy:
1) send two immortals and an archer straight north to take that city.
2) send an archer and a settler SW to found a city on the coast with access to flood plains. Later on irrigate them; this is a worker factory for me.
3) build Persian capital where it is. build a granary and a barracks and then start pumping out immortals. When you hook up to the Copper nearby, start pumping out axemen.
4) send all your other immortals into India, and take out the city between you and India, then both indian cities. AFter India, go north of the mountains, and start taking out the barbarian cities there. The one directly north of india looks like crap, but mine 2 grassland mountains, build a barracks, and it will pump out a vetran immortal every 3 turns for the entire game.
I usually wait until I've taken all the barbarian cities in the north before attacking babylon. You want to make sure you have a pretty good mixed army. I usually build:
Elephants in the northern indian city.
Archers in the southern indian city and the city south of that.
Axemen in the capital.
Horse archers in one of the two cities in the plains to the north, immortals in the other.
Swordsmen in the city two north of the capital, though this probably should be axemen -- I just like to build some of every unit, and you almost have to build all the others.
Spearmen in one city somewhere.
The most southern babylonian city pumping out workers.
Babylon pumping out workers unless they get a great engineer; then build the shrine with him and pump out missionaries.
Build Immortals *everywhere* else. Never attack anybody with anything but an immortal unless you have > 90% odds or you are attacking a spearman.
Get every immortal both flanking promotions. Then they retreat 60% of the time. This means that even if you attack at 0% odds to win, they have a 60% chance of surviving. You'll absolutely own anything that isn't a spearman. These guys can take down Prats (it takes a few, but only 40% of them die).
Take out arabia reasonably early, or you'll end up with arabia full of spearmen, which are nasty, because your main force will be immortals.
In terms of Arabia, and Egypt when you get there, and even north of Macedon/Greece: get the visibility promotion on some of your immortals and get rid of the fog of war. The barbarians in Africa are absolutely nasty.
Also, beware that at about 1AD barbarians stacks will start showing up randomly in places that you didn't think they could, so make sure you have a couple archers in every city.
Once you've got enough of the immortals running around, you just need to wait for the axemen to catch up when you run into spears. Note that you can take down a str 5 spearman in a city on a hill with about 7-8 immortals; bring 10 to help the 4 or 5 which retreated heal. You lose a *lot* of immortals (I think I lost well over 50 of them over the course of the game), but most of your crap cities will be building one every 3,4, or 5 turns. Better cities build more expensive units, or archers for defense.
Thanks for the replies, I will give Cyrus another chance using some of those ideas. One thing I've noticed playing this scenario (thanks to worldbuilder) is that the Macedonians and Persians dont actually conquer the large areas they eventually occupy. There is a certain time when the cities flip ownership, (I guess in an attempt to follow history) - I know they 'flip' because in all of those cities there are only 2 archers .. no invasion army to be seen. First Babylon flips over to Cyrus then Cyrus dissapears and Alexander inherits large land areas. Once when I played Rome I researched Theology first and had the Christian holy city then all of a sudden around 40-50 AD or so I see a message "christianity founded in a distant land" and I lost my holy city .. I pop open world builder and sure enuf, Jerusalem is now the holy city.
I may try to use the city flipping to my advantage .. If I time my assault to when they cities change ownership - I can avoid all that cultural defense built up
I may try to use the city flipping to my advantage .. If I time my assault to when they cities change ownership - I can avoid all that cultural defense built up
Ok, I tried a few games as cyrus - and every time I did Babylon conqured Jerusalem well before I finished off India (man I lost alot of Immortals to those elephants!) and the barbarians. Odd that the only time they actually invade Jerusalem is when I play Cyrus! By the time I got to Babylon all I saw were spearmen defenders and I had precious few axemen / cats at that time.
I tried Rome again last night - managed to initiate early war with Phoenicians and took their 2 cities closest to me - then sued for peace before they counter-attacked.
I have a nice position and will make an attempt with this one.
My strategy will be to slowly expand into Celt region as I build forces to finish off Phoenicia - perhaps I will take on Alexander or Pericles early if I get the oportunity. I know from previous attempts at this I will need a sizable naval force to repel any invasions from the sea - Phoenicia is so predictable .. always goes for Sicily first - so I'm thinkin 10 galleys positioned there should be good.
On the cyrus front - I think I'll try invading Babylon first .. I can take their two southern most cities easilly , will just need a few cats for their fortified cities.
I tried Rome again last night - managed to initiate early war with Phoenicians and took their 2 cities closest to me - then sued for peace before they counter-attacked.
I have a nice position and will make an attempt with this one.
My strategy will be to slowly expand into Celt region as I build forces to finish off Phoenicia - perhaps I will take on Alexander or Pericles early if I get the oportunity. I know from previous attempts at this I will need a sizable naval force to repel any invasions from the sea - Phoenicia is so predictable .. always goes for Sicily first - so I'm thinkin 10 galleys positioned there should be good.
On the cyrus front - I think I'll try invading Babylon first .. I can take their two southern most cities easilly , will just need a few cats for their fortified cities.
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