Negative review from write at Uni Of Chicago

honestly, some of his points are not backed up with facts and it's evident he played the game a bunch of hours and that's all, he doesn't even know what he's talking about (one example above of all: Great People "sometimes" showing up "randomly". We all know how false this is but it's how it appeares to someone who is playing from 2 hours and didn't even THINK to read the manual). Not really enough to put up such a high criticism toward the game.
I'd also like to point out, that Civics are not a new introduction of Civ4, but they are taken from SMAC, a game that dates quite some years ago...
 
DBear said:
To add on to what Daikura said, you could always try to install the unpatched version of Pool of Radiance 2 :shudder:

That was the game that wiped out your entire drive when you uninstalled it right? :D
 
Oh no, a BLASPHEMER!!! STONE THEM!!!

Jeez... if you can't handle unkind words about your game, you are taking it too seriously.

Venger
 
Unspeakable Horror said:
That was the game that wiped out your entire drive when you uninstalled it right? :D
Only if you didn't install it on the drive your system was on, I think.
 
I liked the freshness of the review but I'm afraid there was much opinion without detailing the reasons for negativity.

It read like an trolls review. Diverting but not insightful. Also, for a university review, it frankly wasn't intelligent enough!

However, I'm still not buying Civ4 for a month of two yet. I don't want the aggro this game seems to illicit.
 
Considering the source from the original poster I decided to set out and actually see if I could find a review without a bunch of mindless blabber praising the obvious new features of the game. I looked up about 15 reviews that seemed, most of the highlights were stuff that was probably brought up by the people offering them the game to review. Like,"You may want to make sure you mention this and that."
Here is one I found, and honestly I am happy with this review mostly. Though the technical issues could have been elaborated on more, I took it they had minor problems here. Also, this is from a more credible source.

http://pc.gamezone.com/extlink.php?SiteID=gamezone.com&Link=http://egm.1up.com

One thing I did note in the search was that most reviewers neglected to go into the technical issues even they faced as it seemed Firaxis was giving the impression that these issues will be null at release. Gamespy mention them, and say that Firaxis was going to post an update that night (Oct 27th) for any users having issues with graphics cards. A few other mention that they 'believed' these issues such as mislabeled discs and other such annoyances would be smoothed out and fixed pre-release.
This would say why the technical issues were played down due to the fact they knew they were playing the game in its unreleased state and figured they would be fixed so just give the gameplay itself the review. Which IMO is rather awesome.
 
OK that link wasnt working right and you still have to dig for the review I mentioned. So here it is.

by Matthew Chase 11/03/2005
"The Earth was without form, and void." So says Leonard "Mr. Spock" Nimoy in his quintessentially emotionless narration of Civilization IV each time you start a new game. And then the map generator finishes filling in that void-and you take your first steps into an ancient world that threatens to leave you sleep deprived for days. Civilization-the brainchild of legendary game designer Sid Meier-has stood, for 14 years now, as one of the best and most addictive turn-based strategy series ever to grace a PC screen. Trying to innovate such a venerable game is a tall order, but Civ 4 brings a host of top-notch additions to the fore. From Stone Age to Space Age, you now get a lot more options to help you build your empire. So, yes, Firaxis has done it again.

Civ 3 junkies should quickly key in on the overhauled government system, which now gets divided into five civic subcategories. These civic mechanics allow for a mind-boggling matrix of possibilities in regard to how you run your kingdom, which include adopting slavery, allowing a free-market economy, or enforcing a state religion. Although the new religious system feels overemphasized at times, it adds some great facets to gameplay that range from ambient espionage undertaken by local zealots (allowing you to spy on your opponents) to motivating your troops as they fight to defend a holy shrine.

And therein lies the crown jewel of Civ 4: the new combat mechanics. Instead of providing straight attack/defense values for your units, the game relies on a deeper RPG-style experience system. Your units can specialize and improve in all sorts of tasks as they level up, such as the amount of collateral damage they inflict and bonuses they receive when fighting in specific environmental conditions. This system conveys a real sense of attachment to your units; you'll definitely feel a tug at the heartstrings when you lose your favorite swordsman unit who had become especially adept at raiding cities or your marines who spent countless battles training to become the best veteran jungle fighters in the world.

Welcome to the jungle
All of these civic and strategic enhancements are clinched together by a brand-new layered 3D world environment. Where in previous Civ games, each tile on the map contained only one specific category of terrain, the various topography types in Civ 4 can overlap: You'll find forested hills in the plains, loamy grassland valleys, and numerous combinations in between. The map generator uses a more tightly variegated mix of tiles-which initially feels inferior to Civ 3's more geologically accurate map output, but ends up working very well with the new terrain overlapping physics in terms of balance. As an added visual touch, you can now zoom out to view the world map as an actual globe-provided your civilization possesses the technological aptitude to understand that the Earth is round.

A lot of other staple Civ features find themselves simplified?for better or for worse. Resistance against a hostile invasion now just shuts down a city the way that civil disorder used to in Civ 3, and unhappy citizens become deadbeats who up and refuse to work. Oddly, you can actually just ignore both of these situations without any serious economic setbacks. Civ 3's unpopular mechanics for governmental corruption and waste get replaced with an upkeep fee, and a city's numeric health rating thankfully eliminates the need to manually deal with pollution.

The rationale behind most of these simplifications revolves around alleviating tedium and lessening the overall barrier to entry, but not everything that got changed necessarily needed to be. Let's put it this way: Civ connoisseurs who think of Civ 3 as their favorite label of fine wine might find that Civ 4 tastes a bit?off. It can't be called an artificially flavored grape drink in comparison, but more like a chardonnay to Civ 3's cabernet sauvignon.

Tech support
A few technical oversights sour Civ 4's vintage ever so slightly. The option to abandon an unwanted city no longer exists, and the logic behind the tech tree seems less salient and more arbitrary-although this doesn't detract too much from the gameplay. The game fatally responds to Alt-Tabs, too, which gets frustrating when you need to multitask or take a break. Gamers with ATI videocards should prepare for some strange issues and occasional crashes (definitely upgrade your video drivers before playing). Oh, and your eyes aren't playing tricks on you: The "Install" disc is the one you need to play the game-not the erroneously labeled "Play" disc. Fortunately, these gaffes only mar the experience by a very small margin-and have hopefully been corrected by the time you read this.

Like a good game of chess, Civ 4 teaches you a thing or two about strategy, but also so much more. It acts as a wonderful history lesson, and the wealth of information in the game's comprehensive Civilopedia makes learning fun. If you harbor any interest in strategy games and want something with more depth than the average mindless RTS, then you would do well to immerse yourself in Civilization IV and let it soak in. Sure, it might steal away hours of your time-but it's one of the rare games that can genuinely enrich your life while doing so.

EDIT: Posted the wrong review. :p
 
I am addicted to Civ 4 but I really think there are still huge issues with the game. I doubt I would have written a very nice review for it. As a game series grows older expectations grow higher. For me Civ 2 was and is still is the best game in the series. Civ 2 is to the McLaren F1 as Civ 4 is to the Veyron. Bad analogy but hopefully you know what I mean. :crazyeye:
 
Hozchelaga said:
Why is it so many people here think every negative comment about the game is unjustified? It's a sad condition that every second thread in the forum begins, "Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Civ IV but..."

Nobody is denying people's right to dislike or even hate Civ 1,2,3 or 4. Coming to a CIVFANATICS forum and telling the same thing is a whole different thing. Especially if you declare your opinions as the sole voice of the community and degrade everybody disagreeing with you to the level of idiocy.

Hozchelaga said:
You're bullies, you hardcore CIVers, you. Why dontcha Enact some Universal Sufferage and let's get down with some Freedom of Religion, y'all.

We're running Police State civics here. Your IP has been logged and a strike team dispatched to your location. Prepare for a lenghty stay in Guantanamo. :evil:
 
Hozchelaga said:
You're bullies, you hardcore CIVers, you. Why dontcha Enact some Universal Sufferage and let's get down with some Freedom of Religion, y'all.

Panda said:
We're running Police State civics here.

Panda is correct. Hoz, please remain seated in your home. A unit of Macemen has been dispatched to your house and will be there shortly. Please remind your family not to be alarmed; even if the loud disgusting sound reminiscent to that of a mace smashing a watermelon happens to wake any of them up.

Phoning the police will not help. All will be assimilated.
 
Dairuka said:
Panda is correct. Hoz, please remain seated in your home. A unit of Macemen has been dispatched to your house and will be there shortly. Please remind your family not to be alarmed; even if the loud disgusting sound reminiscent to that of a mace smashing a watermelon happens to wake any of them up.

Phoning the police will not help. All will be assimilated.

Excellent replies, Dairuka, Panda. :lol: It's good to see a sense of humour in the forums -- exactly what we all need to cool our heels.

Um, you were joking, right?

Right?

Oh God! Here they come!
 
xguild said:
I read it three times to make sure, but as far as I could tell, everything that he said in *his review was 100% accurate. The disk were mislabeled, he obviously had technical problems (very common for Civ 4) and he didn't care for the many changes that have been so glorified by other reviews, all of which were described accuratly. You might not agree with him, but he gave his opinion and he didn't BS you. More importantly however it's worth noting that he didn't have any advertisment banners for PC games of any kind on his website. Name any of the high end reviews that can say that.

Is an honest opinion a problem for anyone?

Nope not a problem...but.....

While it is slightly amusing to see Buddhism, Christianity, and Confucianism all born in New York, I found the new features lacking in practical effect. A crafty player could probably scheme and manipulate with missionaries, slowly converting an enemy’s town. Said player is then brutally raped by the computer, which has spent its time building archers and pikemen.

Is basically an oversimplification of the "truth" at the beginning and grossly *inaccurate at the end.

The only thing I can say is (sorry to repeat) "Point dismissed..lack of imagination"
 
He obviously didn't try the game well, since he received the game "last thursday", which means he has been playing it for less than a week. That amount of time is just enough to learn the main aspects of the game without even getting into tactics. Not to mention his problem with the graphics probably means that his own system is trash.


So this review is very shallow and obviously the opinion of someone who didn't spend enough time on the game to be able to form a decent opinion. Fortunately, it is on a site that nobody visits anyway.
 
logical_psycho said:
So this review is very shallow and obviously the opinion of someone who didn't spend enough time on the game to be able to form a decent opinion.

So do most of the "good" reviews. It might be shallow, but it's at least honest.
 
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