Never before in this game, I guess.

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Texas - Byraw Sasquatch
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I snorted so hard it hurt.

That might be one of the best laughs I've had around here. That's prime quality.

For a second I was wondering if we had some sort of mythological bigfoot creature in Texas that I was unaware of.

 

[fredrikslicer]

Also Mexico hasn't treated its indigenous people any better than the US or Canada so shoehorning a Mexican leader onto an indigenous civilization seems...insensitive at best. Like making George Washington the leader of the Iroquois.

"Andrew Jackson leads the cherokee in civilization 7" - First Look (Joke)

 

[Zaarin]

"Andrew Jackson leads the cherokee in civilization 7" - First Look (Joke)

Even worse. At least Washington was respected by the Iroquois; Jackson was just hated by everyone.

 

[fredrikslicer]

Even worse. At least Washington was respected by the Iroquois; Jackson was just hated by everyone.

Well he certainly led the Cherokee somewhere *Whistle*

 

[Zaarin]

Well he certainly led the Cherokee somewhere *Whistle*

Umph.

 

[Guandao]

I ain't voting on this poll unless it gets fixed. Paul Kagame is still alive! And who is asking for Idi Amin and Mugabe to be in Civ!??? Firaxis wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole!

Byraw Sasquatch? Lols.

Negro Abraham is not making it into Civ, sorry. Not with that name.

 

[AntSou]

I think I know what the climax and season finale of this thread will be.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I ain't voting on this poll unless it gets fixed. Paul Kagame is still alive! And who is asking for Idi Amin and Mugabe to be in Civ!??? Firaxis wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole!

Byraw Sasquatch? Lols.

Negro Abraham is not making it into Civ, sorry. Not with that name.

I wouldn't count on voting then.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I see. In any case, Garibaldi should not be the leader here, as he was not the political leader of this entity, but only made an intervention, and should not be misappropriated from the far more dominant historical role that even he, himself, would say dominated the cause of his life - the Italian Reunification.

In order to avoid controversia I will just answer what I have something new to say.

A movie about Brazilian`s Texas, the Rio Grande do Sul republic (Who was a free state as Uruguay) The Silver Mesopothamia States of Gaucho heritage.
One of our great leaders was Guiseppe Garibaldi, but when he realize the defeat was inevitable, he move back to Italy and put his name in history once for all.

Also Mexico hasn't treated its indigenous people any better than the US or Canada so shoehorning a Mexican leader onto an indigenous civilization seems...insensitive at best. Like making George Washington the leader of the Iroquois.

Can I argue Mexican are native americans, at least most of them are more Indigenous than europeans.
Despite US american who are way more WASP

I ain't voting on this poll unless it gets fixed. Paul Kagame is still alive! And who is asking for Idi Amin and Mugabe to be in Civ!??? Firaxis wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole!

Byraw Sasquatch? Lols.

Negro Abraham is not making it into Civ, sorry. Not with that name.

I can`t change, just if I made a new threat.

Really, anyone likes Negro Abraham? I think his name is cute, negro in brazil is the right way to call black people, call they black is very offensive...

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

A movie about Brazilian`s Texas, the Rio Grande do Sul republic (Who was a free state as Uruguay) The Silver Mesopothami States of Gaucho heritage.
One of our great leaders was Guiseppe Garibaldi, but when he realize the defeat was inevitable, he move back to Italy and put his name in history once for all.

If you really want a civ with a gaucho heritage why not Argentina or just Uruguay?

 

[Henri Christophe]

If you really want a civ with a gaucho heritage why not Argentina or just Uruguay?

Uruguay should be great choice to Gaucho heritage because their leader José Artigas.

But Argentina isn't soo cool, First because they don't have good leaders. Evita Perón and San Martin never was leader of Argentina. Argentina can be cool to have more women leaders, but Uruguay would fit better Gaucho heritage.
Second, as a good brazilian, I don't like Argentina


I just thought the commuinity would like to learn about leaders of two worlds as Garibaldi.
Sometimes I just want to believe I'm not crazy and someone like my ideas

 

[Xandinho]

But Argentina isn't soo cool, First because they don't have good leaders. Evita Perón and San Martin never was leader of Argentina. Argentina can be cool to have more women leaders, but Uruguay would fit better Gaucho heritage.

Well, Evita would not be the first civ leader who never really led her nation, see Gandhi.

Second, as a good brazilian, I don't like Argentina

Because of soccer? Argentina is a historic rival to Brazil that goes well beyond soccer. This is one of the reasons why I'd choose Argentina over some modern nations already in the game , in addition to their cultural influence and economic influence in the past.

I think the point is that most people here are not interested in separatist states as playable civ, we already have this represented in the game with cities losing loyalty and becoming free cities.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Well, Evita would not be the first civ leader who never really led her nation, see Gandhi.

If Argentina become a Civ, for sure it should have Evita because will be more one woman. But is better when the leader really was a leader of nation.

Because of soccer? Argentina is a historic rival to Brazil that goes well beyond soccer. This is one of the reasons why I'd choose Argentina over some modern nations already in the game , in addition to their cultural influence.

Just kidding. But Brazil and Argentina rivality is older than soccer, it's trace back colonial ages when Portugal and Spain fight for the region.

I think the point is that most people here are not interested in separatist states as playable civ, we already have this represented in the game with cities losing loyalty and becoming free cities.

I realize that, the community like BIG empires with PEEK of nations.

I like to play with weak civs who lose in world history.

 

[Xandinho]

I realize that, the community like BIG empires with PEEK of nations.

I like to play with weak civs who lose in world history.

Well, it's a matter of taste. I particularly prefer civilizations, empires or nations with interesting history and cultures that have had a significant impact in the past or currently. Separatist states definitely don't make my profile.
Gran Colombia is the only exception for obvious reasons, it's significant enough and the nations that composed it remain independent to today.

 

[Zaarin]

Can I argue Mexican are native americans, at least most of them are more Indigenous than europeans.

Many more Mexicans may have indigenous ancestry than Americans do, but culturally Mexico is Spanish and has treated its indigenous population with the same policies of subjugation, removal, and cultural erasure as other colonial nations--and in some respects to a much greater extent, especially under early Spanish rule. I think you're glamorizing Mexico because of your mixed race fetish; of all the colonial powers in the New World, the Spanish were by far the most brutal, especially in Mexico.

 

[Patine]

I ain't voting on this poll unless it gets fixed. Paul Kagame is still alive! And who is asking for Idi Amin and Mugabe to be in Civ!??? Firaxis wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole!

Byraw Sasquatch? Lols.

Negro Abraham is not making it into Civ, sorry. Not with that name.

I suggested better historical alternatives for each of Uganda and Zimbabwe (I have an alternative for Rwanda, too - just have to dig his actual name again) to @Henri Christophe, just he seemed to just dig in his heels.

 

[Patine]

In order to avoid controversia I will just answer what I have something new to say.

A movie about Brazilian`s Texas, the Rio Grande do Sul republic (Who was a free state as Uruguay) The Silver Mesopothamia States of Gaucho heritage.
One of our great leaders was Guiseppe Garibaldi, but when he realize the defeat was inevitable, he move back to Italy and put his name in history once for all.

He's not YOUR leader. He is an Italian Revolutionary. He just led an expedition to give aid to like-minded revolutionaries in another country. That was an amazingly common endeavour of revolutionary leader throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries. *cough* Che Guevara *cough* But the cause of his life, as even he would have said, was the Italian Reunification.

Can I argue Mexican are native americans, at least most of them are more Indigenous than europeans.
Despite US american who are way more WASP.

This statement, and the ideal and agenda it is being used to justify by you, is just plain ridiculous, out-of-touch, and yes, racist.

 

[AntSou]

From what I've read the elites in Mexico sought independence only after the constitution of Cadiz threatened their interests. In other words, Mexico's independence was triggered by the desire to maintain the structure of colonialism in its full extent.

And I'm not sure what's worse as a leader, the charming but ultimately ineffective Byraw Sasquatch, or the corrupt and oppressive Robert Mugabe.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Okay Patine, let's avoid controversial. I'm avoiding.

Another good leader to Rio Grande do Sul state can be Anita Garibaldi, Garibald's wife. She is brazilian, she also fight in Italia. A woman who fight for two worlds.

From what I've read the elites in Mexico sought independence only after the constitution of Cadiz threatened their interests. In other words, Mexico's independence was triggered by the desire to maintain the structure of colonialism in its full extent.

And I'm not sure what's worse as a leader, the charming but ultimately ineffective Byraw Sasquatch, or the corrupt and oppressive Robert Mugabe.

Not just Mexico, all coutries of America have a deep European roots in governement. I should argue there is no country full independente of European colonization, we are just partial free.
I guess just Haiti is full free, but it is poor, total freedom isn't that good.

 

[Zaarin]

He's not YOUR leader. He is an Italian Revolutionary. He just led an expedition to give aid to like-minded revolutionaries in another country. That was an amazingly common endeavour of revolutionary leader throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries. *cough* Che Guevara *cough* But the cause of his life, as even he would have said, was the Italian Reunification.

TBH as an American I'd be about 60% okay with the US being led by the Marquis de Lafayette in Civ7. Though what Henri is suggesting is more akin to Napoleon leading Texas or something.

the charming but ultimately ineffective Byraw Sasquatch

I'm dead.