Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 24
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - 27
Naqsh-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 18 + 1 = 19 I do not know if Mexico needs a wonder, but Spanish America forms the largest population contingent in the Americas. If Brazil can have two wonders in the game, I think it would be a negligence if Spanish America did not get at least one. And this theater is visually impressive enough.
Prambanan - 12 - 3 = 9 This is not bad, but as I said before, this would probably be more of a religious wonder, just like Borobudur, Angkor Wat or any other Southeast Asian temple would be. I prefer Borobudur because it is more recognizable and distinct. I see Borobudur and Angkor Wat as high priorities, but not this. I would choose the Shwedagon Pagoda or the Dhammayangyi Temple as a third temple in Southeast Asia, or even Wat Phra Kaew in Thailand would be a more distinct choice for me.
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 18
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Siptah]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 21 (24-3) There are so many famous hotels in the world, why would you chose this one? Because it is in Canada? Because it is the most photographed?
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - 27
Naqsh-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Prambanan - 9
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19 (18+1) Very different from the wonders we already have in the game visually. Has to be built on a jungle hill which makes it one of the wonders that need some planning beforehand. And of course the other things: interesting legends, multiple religions etc.
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Kimiimaro]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22+1=23 - A great option for a Ziggurat wonder.
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - 27
Naqsh-e Rustam - 22
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Prambanan - 9-3=6 - Visually quite similar to Angkor Wat, and from these two, Angkor Wat is a better addition. Indonesia can get Borobudur again.
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - (27-3)=24 I don't care much for Crusader castles, honestly.
Naqsh-e Rustam - (22+1)=23 It barely resembles Petra, the rock color is different, there are three rock cut tombs instead of the one they always use for Petra, and there's a rectangular tower close by. We have two Mesoamerican pyramid wonders, and probably will get more than one Greco-Roman temple wonder. This place is important to Persian history enough to merit a place in the game.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Prambanan - 6
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 23 + 1 = 24 It's very interesting and distinctive enough to be in the game.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Prambanan - 6 - 3 = 3 I have given my reasons before, it is very similar to Angkor Wat and I prefer Borobudur.
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Kimiimaro]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23+1=24 - The Tower of Babel.
Humayun's Tomb - 10
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Prambanan - 3-3=0 (ELIMINATED) - Too similar to Angkor Wat, which is a better wonder. Indonesia can get Borobudur again.
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - (21+1)=22 I can't think of other hotels to put as wonders. Plus it's the best Canadian wonder in my opinion.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Humayun's Tomb - (10-3)=7 I place more priority on Taj Mahal getting into the game.
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Roman Citizen]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 22+1=23 Best Hotel wonder.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Humayun's Tomb - 7-3=4 The Taj Mahal is better.
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Guatenadian]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 24 (23+1) Again, huge bias.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Humayun's Tomb - 1 (4-3) I would prefer the Taj Mahal
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[God of Kings]

Burg Hohenzollern - 15
Château Frontenac - 24 + 1 = 25 Same as Guatenadian
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Humayun's Tomb - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Same as Guatenadian
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Siptah]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16 (15+1) A german castle is always a good option, and Neuschwanstein had its chance.
Château Frontenac - 22 (25-3) I think there are more famous hotels and I haven't seen any convincing arguments as of now. As a European who only spent a few days in Canada, I'd rather have a natural wonder from there than a man made one.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23

 

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24 + 1 = 25 One of the best options to wonder on this list.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 23 - 3 = 20 I'd rather wait for another Chinese wonder. China already has some wonders.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24+1=25 - I want a Ziggurat wonder in the game, and this is a great choice.
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 25-3=22 - The Tower of Babel will suffer no competition! It's not that I don't like it, but Apadana is already an Achaemenid wonder, so I'd rather have a wonder from another period of Persian history...
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 20

 

[conorbebe]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 25
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 19 (22 - 3) Still not seeing the appeal.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 18
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 21 (20 + 1) Would look fantastic in-game, and considering how Wonder-orientated China is in Civ VI, I think it actually makes sense for them to have a few.

 

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 25
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 19
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - (18-3)=15 There's only so many bonuses a Mausoleum type wonder can give.
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - (21+1)=22 It's distinctive looking, and it's use as an imperial altar could lend itself to a bonus.

 

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 25
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 19 + 1 = 20 I think this is very important and distinct to be falling now.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 15
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 22 - 3 = 19 I can wait for another Chinese wonder

 

[Kimiimaro]

Burg Hohenzollern - 16
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 25+1=26 - The Tower of Babel will reach the sky!
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 20
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 15
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 19-3=16 - I can wait for another Chinese wonder too.

 

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - (16-3)=13 I actually prefer Neuschwanstein.
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 26
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 20
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 15
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - (16+1)=17 I'm going to delay its elimination for a bit. A third Chinese wonder can't hurt.

 

[conorbebe]

Burg Hohenzollern - 13
Château Frontenac - 22
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 26
Krak des Chevaliers - 24
Naqsh-e Rustam - 17 (20 - 3) Meh.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 19
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 16 (15 + 1) I find this quite visually interesting. Would love to see it reconstructed fully in-game.
Swayambhunath - 19
Temple of Heaven - 17

 

[Guatenadian]

Château Frontenac - 22 (25-3) I think there are more famous hotels and I haven't seen any convincing arguments as of now. As a European who only spent a few days in Canada, I'd rather have a natural wonder from there than a man made one.

As I've mentioned before I am biased so take that in consideration. Many famous hotels in the world oftentimes blend in to surrounding architecture or really don't stand out, a good example of this would be the Ritz in Paris. Many other famous hotels, such as the Beverly Hills Hotel or the Peninsula Hong Kong aren't really wonder material, not really being prominent. Then there are the hotels that are quite beautiful but whose size make them less likely to be featured in the game, the Raffels hotel being a good example. Another good thing to note is that the Château Frontenac is a major tourist site in Quebec City and in Canada in general. I cant really think of many other hotels in the world where a hotel is a trademark of not only the city but the country itself. When I travel to another city, lets say NYC, I don't say to myself "You know what we should go see? That hotel." But you do in Quebec City. The architecture of the Château itself, isn't French or British, its both, its Canadian, it came to symbolise Canadian nationalism. Its a unique style drawing inspiration from both Victorian Gothic style and from the French Châteaus in the Loire Valley. It brought these two very different identities in Canada together.The hotel even has historical fame when it was requisitioned for the two Quebec Conferences, which brought together Mackenzie King, Roosevelt, and Churchill to discuss the outcomes of WWII in August 1943 and September 1944. The Chateau also became the abode of foreign state officials visiting the capital. Chang Kai-Chek, Charles De Gaulle, Queen Elizabeth II, Haile Selassie all stayed at the Chateau. The Château even got intimately linked with the everyday people. Until the 1970s it was the only facility capable of hosting banquets, or conventions in the city. All important life landmarks were celebrated there, marriage, baptismal receptions, graduation dances, wedding anniversaries, Christmas and Easter celebrations. On weekends from the 1930's to the 1960's the ballroom was converted into a large dance hall, accessible to the whole city. For the working class it became a shrine where they would dress up in their best clothes and pretend to live the high life for a few hours. In 1894 the hotel contributed to the development of the Winter Carnival, today one of the largest winter festivals in the world. Today it's mainly left to the herd of tourists, yet it's key to Quebec's identity. It contributed to the economic development of the city, along with tourism which is now one of the main industries in the province.

You may still say that "Well it is still just a hotel" well yes it's a hotel but it became a symbol for the city and country. In this game series we have leaders whom we don't even know if they existed or not. We have wonders that in-game are represented by just skyscrapers. Every wonder that has been in this game series is wildly different, from statues to fortresses to opera houses. So is it really that unlikely and horrible that a hotel may just warrant a spot on that list of wonders?

" What would the city of Quebec be without the Chateau Frontenac?" asks a recent newspaper article "Without it," another one replies, "Quebec would not be Quebec. Without Quebec, the Chateau would not be the Chateau."