New Civilizations

[rhialto]

Well I for one have been calling for a Tupi civ.

 

[mitsho]

@Spatula he was talking about playing on worldmaps. This is not your argument, but you probably see that this gets a problem on a worldmap, do you?

And I am certainly fond of the idea of including Brazil, Argentina or Gran Colombia (a semi-'fictional' civ including many of the nations there, the idea(l) of Simon Bolivar)...

mfG mitsho

 

[Spatula]

@Mitsho - I am aware he was talking about worldmaps. It was the whole point of his post so I could hardly ignore it could I?

Uneccessary sarcasm over, with apologies

There are 15 'countries' (I use the term loosely, and I know they're not the same as civs but this is for the sake of argument) in South America. There are 52 in Europe. So I think the Civ3 reflects the real world effectively here.

But there are those who don't care about the real world when it comes to Civ3 (and why should they? - it's a game after all). Well you would still have to add more than just the Brazilians, Argentines, the Tupi, and Gran Colombia to balance things out equally, and whatever the guidelines they use for adding a civs are, I don't think there will be that many in South America that fit them. It's something that you're just going to have to mod around I'm afraid.

 

[Goosbar]

I've never heard of Serbia, but i heard about a country named Slovenia or something like that and that's it. But then again I'm only a 9th grade student.

ya me neither. FRESHMEN RULE!!! (untill next year, then Sophmors rule)

 

[Vietcong]

i whold add some afican civs, and maby a few native american civs. the sirbians are worthless to this game, u only think that thay shold be in tehr cus ur one your self.
maby the indus river valy civilzation,

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

I always knew that americans are stupid but that stupid. How in 9th Grade you don't know where Serbia is??? I think I knew it already in 6th Grade.
And I think it would be good if there would be added more slavic civs and for thous stupid americans who think that Latvia is slavic civ also I can say its not it is Baltic civ. So I'am not standing in for my own civ. I think it is stupid that there is just one slavic civ-Russia there could be lots and lots more Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Slovania, Bosnia&Hercogovina, Chechnev and many more civs that russians has conquered.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Of those Slavic civs you mentioned, the only one I could think of ever being included in civ is Poland. It is kinda funny and sad they don't know where Serbia is, but you don't have to go around saying that Americans are as stupid as everyone says they are. On these forums, you'll meet some bloody smart ones, who could go the extra step and tell you where Vojvodina and Kosovo-Metohia are in Serbia. I also don't think that any of the Baltic states should be included, not even Lithuania.

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

Of those Slavic civs you mentioned, the only one I could think of ever being included in civ is Poland. It is kinda funny and sad they don't know where Serbia is, but you don't have to go around saying that Americans are as stupid as everyone says they are. On these forums, you'll meet some bloody smart ones, who could go the extra step and tell you where Vojvodina and Kosovo-Metohia are in Serbia. I also don't think that any of the Baltic states should be included, not even Lithuania.

But Ukrain or Belarus? And BTW from live Baltic County just 2 are remaining Latvia, Liethuania and I also don't think it would be wise if they put just Liethuania or Latvia but I think they could put Balts as a one civ.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Well, historically Belarus is Russian, and Ukraine, well... they're a bit enigmatic if you know what I mean. A bizarre mix of Russian, Cossack, Pole, Mongol, etc. They also have a lot of problems. BTW, isn't Estonia a Baltic country too

 

[Kodi]

Canadians learn tons about geography as well as history.. probably because we have backgrounds from France AND England. If there were some civs I would add, it would be the following:

Canada - Yes, mostly because i AM Canadian... but we have a very interesting history, as well as a very important one. Yes, we never came out to be like the U.S., but if you think about it, If the American Revolution never occured, the US of A would not have existed.

Israel/Hebrews - God's chosen people... as well as a very important place in history.. in the Bible of course

A Southeast Asian Civ - obvious here

Oceania Civilization - also obvious

More American Civilizations - obvious

Perhaps another European Civilization such as Poland...


And this has nothing to do with anything, but why the heck is Joan of Arc the French leader? She only led a few battles, that she won, and then she was burned as a witch. Anyone hear of Louis XIV... or even more importantly - Napoleon Bonaparte? He altered the course of history, and was one of the best and powerful leaders in all of history. If not for him, the War of 1812 would not of occured, as well as many other historical events. Just a comment.

~Kodi

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Joan of Arc was chosen because she was a female. If you haven't noticed, the civs chosen don't have too many female rulers (and when they do, they often aren't selected)

 

[Furius]

Why do people want an Oceanian civ? Having a civ called 'Oceania' is rediculous (It is like having 'Europe') and the individual states alone are/were tiny and often unorganised. For example, if we were to have the Maori civ it just dosen't work, because it was only ever a collection of tribes, which were only to eager to fight each other. How could they be represented as a unified entity against China or the Inca. I recognise that that sounds incredibly politically incorrect and it is not neccessarily true of Oceanian cultures today, but throughout most of the time that there were Maori they would not have viewed themselves as a civilization. It would be like including Native American Indians as a single civilization.
However Native American Indians collectively occupied an area hundreds of times the size of Oceania (Oceania has a total land area of about one and half to two times the size of England).
And yet people continue to petition for Polynesian civs. Which then act wrongly in the civ game, acting like a typical civ rather the settlers of strung out islands. In fact Polynesians are much more similar to the unfortunatly named 'Barbarians' than to an actual civ.

 

[CurtSibling]

Let's be realistic here.

They will either stick with the classic line up of civs that we got with vanilla CIV1, CIV and CIV3.
Or they will enable a modding system that makes it easy to add unlimited new civs.

The developers know that sadly most games people (especially the younger crew
they are aiming at nowadays) are likely to react better to the better known cultures.

I would like to see Scotland, Wales, and Poland in the game too, but in reality they won't be.

Unless you mod them in - Which is fine by me, if it is possbile.

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

Oceanic civ like Easter iland, New Zeland or other could ad.
And in my point the England civ could be named Great Britain so it would include Scotland and Wales.
And no Estonia is from Somugre tribe. The Estonia is called one of the Baltic State because it has same history and same position on world map. Oh and in Somugr tribe includes Finlandia, Estonia, Libija (don't mistake it Libia has just about 2,5K people which live in Latvia) and... gues thats all

 

[cidknee]

Canada -

Israel/Hebrews - God's chosen people... as well as a very important place in history.. in the Bible of course

A Southeast Asian Civ - obvious here

Oceania Civilization - also obvious

More American Civilizations - obvious

Perhaps another European Civilization such as Poland...

i agree,,, and


And this has nothing to do with anything, but why the heck is Joan of Arc the French leader? She only led a few battles, that she won, and then she was burned as a witch. Anyone hear of Louis XIV... or even more importantly - Napoleon Bonaparte? He altered the course of history, and was one of the best and powerful leaders in all of history. If not for him, the War of 1812 would not of occured, as well as many other historical events. Just a comment.

~Kodi[/QUOTE]
and why not napolean? what did joan of arc do? Cmon.. better leaders... WAAAY better leaders are needed. Who says it has to be politically correct? History wasnt

 

[mitsho]

@cidknee this is not the place to discuss this question but I will quickly do it.

Firaxis wanted to have a par on leader genders. Why? Perhaps for publicity reasons, or because the designer wanted to design some women (but if I look at Catherine for example, I think this is not a good explanation). But the point is that this is not really important. Take a step back: What influence on the game does it have if your opponent leader's name is Joan or Napoleon. Nothing.
That's why they did it. Not to argue about that and I'm sure they would do the same again. And therefore I proposed many times to introduce 2 or 3 leaders per civ. Each with different traits or some other kind of differences. So, for France you could have Jeanne d'Arc/Joan of Arc, Napoléon and Sun King Louis XIV. Wouldn't that be good?

Back to topic

mitsho

 

[Furius]

You know, it occurs to me (And I'm sure everybody else already realised this but I'm a little slow sometimes so please bare with me) that if the Civ IV code is going to be openly editable then we should be able to have more than 32 civs.
Isn't that right?
If it is the case then perhaps arguments against all civs should be forgotten, let us have Israel, Maori, Serbia, Latvia even. But if we really want these we should do them ourselves (ie get the graphics people here to do them).
In the meanwhile with our knowlege that eventually Serbia and so on will eventually be included maybe we should consider other aspects of this whole new civilizations thing. Maybe we should be producing potential city lists!

 

[Smidgey]

I feel that all the previous civ games have been far too military and land mass civ orientated. I am inclined to believe that there are many civs that should be in the game and have made huge contributions to the world and just because they have small populations or have not tried to take over the world at one stage in their histories, have not been included. I have compiled this list of civs i would like to see added or removed in the game, and since the number of civs that are going to be in the game is unknown, this list is as long as it needs to be.

The Sumerians and the Babylonians should be combined, or the Sumerians should be removed.

The Byzantines should be removed from the game, because they share many cities with Greece, Rome and the Ottomans, and some peoples are getting represented by 3 civs, when some peoples are not represented at all.

Africa, must at all costs, be filled.

North America requires more civs, perhaps Canadians to have another modern civ, and maybe 2-3 native peoples?

Poles should be added into Europe because of the fact that they are extremely important in european history, and especially for saving all our hides from the Mongols.

Scotland should be made a Civ because of the huge number of scientific achievements it has brought to the world, either that or the English are changed to the British and encorporate British cities, leader and UU.

South East Asia requires more representation, Khmer? Indochina (or something along these lines, vietnam perhaps?) or Indonesia, it does have a population of 216 million people. Australia should perhaps be included, i dont feel that the Aborigines would make a good addition as a civ, because they would have a tiny city list.

Israel should be added, because it is the centre of much of the politics i nthe modern world, and is having a large impact upon it and not to mention the thousands of years of history the jews have had.

Celts need to be reworked, if not removed, change the city list.

Some civs UU MUST be changed, e.g: the "Bowman" for the Babylonians or the "Rider" for the Chinese, they should have proper UU names, like the Japanese "Samurai" or the Roman "Legionary".

This is all i can think of just now, I have probably left out a huge gap... which i have forgotten about.

 

[Latvian "Hound"]

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I like your attidude if needed I can start writing down all the citys right away.

 

[Cuivienen]

Serbia was, among other things, the cause of the first world war. I find it annoying that people that barely know about Serbia existance can state something like you did and then propose Polynesia and Tibet as important civilizations... actually I am unsure if being annoyed or roll on the floor laughing.

To the topic started, Corey, Byzantium has really little to do with Serbia, and you probably want to call russian/serbian cultural group slavonian not slovenian

Serbia started the First World War -- but has it made any LARGE contribution to world history? Comapred to Rome or France or England? We can't include every European civ; it just isn't practical. For that reason, some less important European civs like Serbia simply can't be in the game. Polynesia is a possibility because there are no civs at all in that region.

(And my post should have said Yugoslavia was equal to the others, not Serbia. I do know where Serbia is and could find Vojvodina on a map. It's the northernmost regions of Serbia-Montenegro.)