New CoL Proposals

I like the proposals, but there is only one thing I would change for effenciency's sake.

Let's say a province produces a new worker. The governor may want that worker's earmarked job to be at the other end of the province. For examples' sake, let's also say that there is another idle worker next to the tile that the earmarked worker is to improve.

I'd just like to clarify that if another worker is closer to the jobsite, another worker other than the earmarked one may be used.
 
I believe that would bring in judgement calls Octavian X. It sounds like a worthy idea, but is problematic. It will be much less work for the DP to just send the newly created worker than calculate which is closer or has road/rail to traverse, whatever. Plus the worker unit closer to the work action could be foreign. This would take longer to accomplish the intended work. It may save a few turns here and there (and thus be efficient) but it over-complicates the Law. That's my opinion anyway.

BTW, Homer's looking good.
 
I'd still like an exception in there that allows the DP to use another worker as long as the worker would get the job done in the same amount of time or shorter than the worker produced.

BTW: Thanks. I thought the Fanatikan flag would be nicer.
 
But Octavian, by making an exception like that you're not earmarking a new worker. You're essentially making a promise to get the work done with any worker the DP feels can get the work done in a manner that suits them. The whole purpose of this amendment is the specific earmarking of a worker to do a specific job. This amendment also relieves the DP from having to do all the bookkeeping and logistics that you now want to add. Your little addition here at the end will do nothing more than cause MORE work for the DP and potentially cause the work to take longer. It may also cause a lot of tension unnecessarily between the DP and the Governors. Why go through all this extra stuff, when we can just earmark a worker?
 
I still believe that if we were a nation of 10-15 cities, this would be workable. I feel sorry for our DPs if this proposal passes...what a headache.
 
what about a proposal only stating that if a province contributes a worker during a turnchat, the first work on the provinces prio-list gets definitely done during that chat.
this way the province contributes a worker to the national workforce, and the nation buys this workforce by doing a improovement for the province.
 
How about each worker produced allows another entry on the Priority List? So if two workers are produced the PL for that province would temporarily be 5 until work completion brought it down to 3 slots again.
 
perfect imho shaitan. this will make it pretty easy to track, too.
but how will the priorization between the provinces be?

longest list first i would propose, with a rule that the 1st entries of all provinces must be worked on before any 2nd entry is started.
which would benefit the provinces which produced the most workers but allow all provinces for equal distribution of the workforce.
 
Again, the above suggestions are moving away from the concept of "earmarking". One wants a work action done if a worker is produced, although the actual worker would be up to the discretion of the DP, another one wants to make sure the first project on the Priority List gets done first (what a concept), and another one wants to increase the depth of the prioirity List for each worker produced in a province, although this last one doesn't explain that the worker is wisked away to some other Province and the DP will get around to working on the Governor's PL when they deem it's necessary. Why do you people have to complicate the matter? It's simply a case of earmarking a worker produced to complete one job before it is released. It doesn't have to do hand stands or twirl around or entertain you in any way. It just does its specified job and is then turned over to the DP. Its that easy. There is no sense in over complicating this issue. It serves no purpose. First you say, as eyrei does, that it is a headache, that its too much of a problem to manage all this extra detail, and then you turn around and throw in so many left turns, that it's hard to kepp track of all the complicated if, ands, and buts.

A worker is produced in a Province and that worker is "earmarked" for a specific job in that Province. That's as deep and as complicated as it needs to be.
 
so what you say is that if a province has work to do in its north and produces a worker in its south, we should send the worker to the north to complete the job instead of using the free worker already standing on the tile which has to be improoved...which propably results in 2-3 missed turns till completetion.
[/me stands up and applauses for the effectiveness of that]
 
@Cyc - Just contributing and putting ideas out that would hopefully address burdgeoning concerns. As I said, I'm ready to sign off on the last revision.

@dis - I don't think that in practical use anybody will have a problem if the actual earmarked worker does something else while a closer worker starts on his job. The real point is that the province gets a guaranteed improvement, right now, for producing a worker. If Kuhkaff builds a worker and it is earmarked for an improvement at Dapper Dan, the governor is not going to complain if a worker near Dapper Dan is assigned to the task while the Kuhkaff worker starts on a tile closer to its location. In fact, as long as the work is started, there would be no way for anybody to know which worker came from where. The exception would be foreign workers, of course. But if the DP puts 2 foreigners on an earmarked project the governor isn't going to have a problem with that either.
 
Dis I believe by your response that you would be the caliber of DP that would say "Oh, look, this province is producing a worker, let's make a couple of workers go stand next to the earmarked work site, just to screw things up". The DP sees the worker being produced. The DP knows the earmarked work action. The DP organizes the workers. Why in Hell would the DP do a stupid thing like that, Dis? You're just bringing up absurd examples to distract from the main intent when you actually have no idea how it would work.
 
@shai: i ignored the sarcasm anyways :-) and as said somewhere before i find the use of the word "trolling" very insulting to the poor minority of trolls we have at our nation. we should protect them and not use phrases in prejudice ;-)

@cyc: its not too far from reality though. for example if there is a national rail project in the north of the province which finishes the turn a provincial worker is finished in the south. who will do the improovement which is needed exactly next to the "national" worker? in your example the provincial worker in the south... and its not taken from so far that exactly that will happen. why should the dp intervene and use the worker in the north for it? he will be used for other work, maybe even work in the south ;-)
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
@shai: i ignored the sarcasm anyways :-) and as said somewhere before i find the use of the word "trolling" very insulting to the poor minority of trolls we have at our nation. we should protect them and not use phrases in prejudice ;-)
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hmm.. so, now you're a troll? Gonna fit that into the proposal? ;)
 
Are trolls a protected group? What about giants, or ogres?

Just curious, cause I think I know a few ogres around my workplace... ;)
 
So, after dis's bout as a vampire, he's a troll :D

I'd still like something that allows the DP to use other workers, as long as the job gets done faster than with the single new worker.
 
Hmmm... I've been following this debate for a while, and I finally have a new idea. How about we keep a "running tally" of the number of workers that a province makes, and the governor gets 2 "free improvements" made to their territory. Every time that province builds a worker, the province gets two tallies, and for each improvement made, the province loses one tally. As for time constraints, how about the improvement must be started at most 3 turns after the closest worker could have gotten there. As for # of workers allocated, how about a maximum of 2 Fanatikan or 4 foreign workers per improvement? Desperately needed improvements beyond the "running tally" could be asked of the Domestic Minister. Just my two cents...
 
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