New CoL Proposals

There is nothing sensational about discussing the ramifications and controls for new rules.

In any case, these are not ready for submission. They are written as a discussive paragraph, not in the index format that our rules use. There is no "too late" while we are in discussion about rule proposals and absolutely no need to rush this to the polls before it has been hashed out. There has not been an iota of feedback from the governors or any other citizen regarding the most recent changes.
 
hmm, how did I miss this one? Probably the chaos in the game.. anyway, I think that proposal would be too restrictive. Look at the early part of the game when we only had 9 workers. What if those workers were created in tundra cities? We'd rely on foreign workers who no one would have control over (if I read it correctly). Sometimes, you might need a couple of our own workers to hurry a mine, or build a road. Suppose we had all national workers, and there was a new province, but the roads were pillaged. Because the DP has to use the workers in the province they're from, that other province is neglected, and forced to slowly build workers when they should be building culture to prevent flips.

It also gets into Provincial Elitism. The provinces with better sheild/growth are going to have more workers, and better infrastructure as the other, poorer provinces fall to the wayside. (Sounds more like a Roman Republic then a democracy)
 
CT, workers aren't tied to a province with these proposals and there's no difference between foreign or national workers.

Proposal 1 mandates that a worker built in a city do one specific task detailed by that governor before it is released to general circulation.

Proposal 2 sets a priority list per province. Workers in a province are still free to go to other provinces as needed by the DP.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
CT, workers aren't tied to a province with these proposals and there's no difference between foreign or national workers.

Proposal 1 mandates that a worker built in a city do one specific task detailed by that governor before it is released to general circulation.

Proposal 2 sets a priority list per province. Workers in a province are still free to go to other provinces as needed by the DP.
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Hey, you've got a copy of "Fanatikan Legalese For Dummies" that I can use? :D :lol:
 
Current rules are bold. Proposed rules are italic

CoL C.1.g (The President) Organizes worker activities.

CoL C.1.g.1 Exception: When a Province produces a worker, that worker can be earmarked by the Governor to be used for any one improvement in that Province. The specified improvement must be completed before that worker is released to general authority.

CoL C.1.g.2 Exception: Improvements specified in the Provincial Priority List must be currently in process before any new tile improvement is begun in that province.

COL C.1.g.2.a Provincial Priority Lists are set by the Governors in their turn chat instructions.
COL C.1.g.2.b Provincial Priority Lists may include 3 improvements.

COL D.1.e. A governor organizes tile development in his province.
COL D.1.e.1 A governor organizes the Provincial Priority List for his province.
 
Changes made to simplify the rules. There's no need to call out National override as there is already a mechanism for that (Pres Override) defined in the rules. Added note in Governor section that they organize the Priority List for their province.

Changed #2 wording significantly. Original wording could be taken to mean all work on Priority List must be totally completed before any other work is done in the province. That would mean that if there was work in process a new Priority List would require stopping all current work to send those workers to the newly defined jobs.
 
Shaitan
I like it. I do have some points that we should clear up if possible...
  • CoL C.1.g.1 "...general authority" - maybe the best choice of words, but it might leave room for debate. Should we consider changing this to "Presidential authority"?
  • CoL C.1.g.2.a - I'd recommend "...are set by the Governors and posted in the turn chat instruction thread.
  • CoL C.1.g.2.b - I'd recommend "...include 3 specific improvements". I also think we shouldn't restrict the governors' rights to list more items in their respective priority lists. We should allow for more than three, but specify that only the first three are mandatory and that any additional items are to be considered recommendations by the Governor for further development.
I am still opposed to any rule changes that will result in impeding our progress in turn chats. However, these additions seem to offer a good compromise between Presidential/Gubernatorial authority without impeding either's ability to perform their duties.

I was reluctant at first, but I like what I'm seeing.
 
I like all of FortyJ's suggestions.

Note that I moved prop #2 to the Presidential section. As it modifies/defines the presidential power of organizing workers it needs to go there. It could be rejected by the Judiciary if it was left under the governor section.
 
Please present option 3 in whatever poll we have. That is the one that assigns all workers to whatever the DP considers to be a national priority. Provinces matter very little. Our civ as a whole is what is important.
 
That option is already in the rules - the Presidential Override.

Eyrei makes a very good point though. None of these rule additions will change the need for discussion on overall goals and development. Governors still have to answer to the will of the people, just like the President does.
 
In my opinion, all these rules will do is make PIs more common, which is the last thing we need.
 
@eyrei - no the only thing that will make PI's more common is people breaking the laws of Fanatika.
 
@ Shaitan, using your format above to shorten the proposed CoL amendments is not the optimum way to go about refining the Constitution. In the opening of the Constitution, it says in the second paragraph - Laws can refine and direct articles but can never conflict with them. Using short bullet statements is not always the best way to refine an article of the Constitution. A lot of information has been lost in the "new proposal" that you have drawn up. The intent of these proposals was that when the citizens of Fanatika and beyond read them, they would Understand just what they meant. The Articles of the Constitution can be left up to interpretation, but the laws should be specific in refining those articles. Without being specific when we are clarifying a Law seems to be a waste of time. None the less, as that seems to be the way of the Judicial system, I have reviewed your "new proposal", and using your format and taking in both of yours and 40J's suggestions and combined them with the original proposal, while trying to keep the original intent in place.

Code: 
CoL C.1.g.1 Exception: When a Province produces a worker, that worker can be earmarked 
by the Governor to be used for any one improvement in that Province. The specified 
improvement must be completed before that worker is released to the DP's authority. 
This worker's action is not bound by the Priority Lists.

CoL C.1.g.2 Exception: Improvements specified in the Provincial Priority List must be 
completed before any new tile improvement is begun in that province. New Provincial 
Priority Lists would not supersede the old one, but follow naturally. If a work 
action was in progress, the new List would take effect after the current work action is finished.

___________________________________________________________________



COL D.1.e.1 A governor may organize the Provincial Priority List for his province.

COL D.1.e.1.b Provincial Priority Lists are set by the Governors and posted in their turn 
chat instructions.

COL D.1.e.1.c Provincial Priority Lists may include 3 specific improvements.

I can not see the benefit of putting the additons of C.1.g.2.a and .b in proposal one, but leaving them out of proposal two. Putting a tier under tile development about Priority Lists without defining them seems odd. If anyone were to reference CoL D.1.e.1 they would also have to reference C.1.g.2 for more information.

I know submit these new changes for you consideration.

EDIT: hehe - first time I've ever used that code tag. How does one use the wrap feature?
 
my question has always been, why is there a code tag in the first place?
 
Cyc
Hehe... I've had that happen to me many a time.... The best thing to do is type it into Notepad or similar text editor and manually put in the breaks. The code tag will not wrap text automatically.
 
Thank you both Dis and 40. I did put in the maunaul breaks and it looks much better.
 
Noldodan - the code tags are used when you want to write of line using notepad or some such program and then post it directly to the thread. It is normally used for lists and stats to keep the characters in line.
 
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