New CoL Proposals
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Octavian X
is not a pipe.
Actually, Goonie, the proposed changes are to the Code of Laws. Anyone may propose chnages to the CoL, and those changes are approved by a vote of the citizenry.
Only amemdments to the Code of Standards, or CoS, require council approval.
Only amemdments to the Code of Standards, or CoS, require council approval.
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i think nolodan's proposal is ok. a good compromise...
maybe a bit rewording to fit the "style" of the rules should be done, but the sense is ok.
maybe a bit rewording to fit the "style" of the rules should be done, but the sense is ok.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Actually Noldodan, I thought your suggestions might basically get the same goals across in the long run, but were so complicated and carried so much baggage that it would be hard to implement. I have not seen a plan yet, other than mine, that can get the job done with as little effort. Apparently, getting the job done is not the issue here. I thought it was, but everyone else seems to want to shake this proposal vigorously until what they want falls out of it. I'm not saying that is what you've done, but this has been a very long process and I am tired of debating. I believe we have run the gamut here and I am ready to post the proposal to the Judiciary for Judicial Review.
cyc - what do you mean "so complicated"? we just add 2 points to the province's improvement queue every time that province makes a worker, each province can use up one of its points to make an improvement, otherwise the Dom Minister chooses the improvements. relatively simple. however, i DO agree that we need to get at least one of these proposals in the polls, and soon. any one will do.
)are easier. Heck, I was able to add them to my Instructions hassle free!
Shaitan
der Besucher
I would also like to voice my support for Cyc's proposal. I believe that the last revision is ready to progress to the Judiciary and polling.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
The proposed changes have been submitted to the Judiciary for Judicial Review. The proposed changes have passed the review of all three members of the Judiciary. In a following comment, Judge Advocate Donovan Zoi has suggested the following changes to CoL D.1.e.1.a:
COL D.1.e.1.a Provincial Priority Lists are set by the Governors and must be
posted in their turn chat instructions to be valid.
He has also noticed the numbering errors in that proposal that slipped by me. The correction of the numbering error in the posting of the poll will not be a problem. The addition of the words above (in bold), will not be a problem for me as they do not change the intent of the proposal. I await the Chief Justice's opinion.
Your comments?
COL D.1.e.1.a Provincial Priority Lists are set by the Governors and must be
posted in their turn chat instructions to be valid.
He has also noticed the numbering errors in that proposal that slipped by me. The correction of the numbering error in the posting of the poll will not be a problem. The addition of the words above (in bold), will not be a problem for me as they do not change the intent of the proposal. I await the Chief Justice's opinion.
Your comments?
Shaitan
der Besucher
Just noticed it was submitted this morning as I perused the new government threads.
I also think the addition is fine. Not necessary, but it doesn't change the intent at all.
I also think the addition is fine. Not necessary, but it doesn't change the intent at all.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
I am attempting imlpeament a system similar to the proposed law. In the TC thread, I asked for the earmarked actions and prioirty lists to be posted by the various governors.
The only problem that this unofficial system would have is a lack of enforcement. If I or Donovan where playing, I would be assured that those instrutions were carried out. However, if someone else ends up playing, there is no way I can enfore the system.
The only problem that this unofficial system would have is a lack of enforcement. If I or Donovan where playing, I would be assured that those instrutions were carried out. However, if someone else ends up playing, there is no way I can enfore the system.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Very cool, Sir Octavian X. A sort of trial run.
Shouldn't this proposal be for an addition to the Code of Standards and not he Code of Laws?
Shaitan
der Besucher
As it directly modifies a designated presidential duty it needs to be writ as law. It would not work as a standard.
I am concerned about enforcing such an untested and possibly problematic procedure as a law. I am still not convinced this will be viable for the DP, no matter which way it is implemented, and I do not wish to see further PIs on the matter. The only benefit I can see to any of these plans is an increase in the power of governors at the cost of national interests, turn chat efficiency and the possibility of countless PIs. I simply don't feel this rule change is necessary or even valuable, and it certainly does not make up for the potential problems.
Cyc
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That, eyrei, is because you are still looking at it with your eyes closed. These measures will simplify the work of the DP. Any information about worker actions in a Province will be summarized in the Turn chat instruction thread. All newly created workers WILL have an assigned work action to perform before they are released to the DP's use. Everyone will know this, including the DP, so there will be no misunderstanding. I don't see any increase in PI's, especially if you're are successful in eliminating them. PI's will only have merit if a person breaks the law. Period. Please stop worrying over nothing.
Cyc
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Cyc, you really need to learn to make your arguments without starting with something that can be construed as an insult.
More rules and regulations for the DP is exactly what we do not need. He or she should concentrate workers on national priorities, and if that is improving part of a province, then so be it, but they should not be required to do so.
Cyc
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Sorry you took that as an insult eyrei. I was merely trying to key on the relevance of your statement. Just like the second paragraph above by you:
Quoting eyrei:
More rules and regulations for the DP is exactly what we do not need. He or she should concentrate workers on national priorities, and if that is improving part of a province, then so be it, but they should not be required to do so.
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If you had really been following the discussion, you would realize that these are not more rules and regulations, but are additional writings to existing Laws to help clarify them. Also, they DO NOT require the DP to make improvements in a Province. As stated many times, National Priorities would take precedence. Also, they do not force the DP to work in a Province, as the DP organizes worker activities, but prioritizes the work to be done in any given Province according to the Governor of that Province.
Again, I'm sorry if you felt that was an insult. I realize you have your eyes open when you read these amendments. No insult intended.
Quoting eyrei:
More rules and regulations for the DP is exactly what we do not need. He or she should concentrate workers on national priorities, and if that is improving part of a province, then so be it, but they should not be required to do so.
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If you had really been following the discussion, you would realize that these are not more rules and regulations, but are additional writings to existing Laws to help clarify them. Also, they DO NOT require the DP to make improvements in a Province. As stated many times, National Priorities would take precedence. Also, they do not force the DP to work in a Province, as the DP organizes worker activities, but prioritizes the work to be done in any given Province according to the Governor of that Province.
Again, I'm sorry if you felt that was an insult. I realize you have your eyes open when you read these amendments. No insult intended.
I don't see how you can say that these are not rules and regulations. The proposal states that when a worker is created, it must complete one improvement specified by the governor. It also says that priority list improvements must be completed before any other improvements are done in that province. Both of these clauses seem to say that the DPs authority is limited, and in the case of the first one, completely removed.
BTW, attacking the relevance of my opinion (my post) is also insulting. That is exactly what I am talking about.
