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[IroquoisPlisken]

Uhh...Perugia, ya still there?

 

[Perugia]

Uhh...Perugia, ya still there?

Yes and I have Issac Newton and Joan is nearly gone.....

 

[Perugia]

Pre-turn 660AD (0) Wake Indian garrisons and move them towards Joan.

MM York for growth in 5 (10), cavalry still in 1. Dover needs an aqueduct and is already building one so move citizens from the wheat to increase Nottingham's growth. MM Liverpool for growth.

IBT Most of the French MDIs head for our undefended cities and only two attack our SoD near Orleans. Both die in the attempt and our musket is promoted to elite – yeah. We learn Monotheism – our science advisor suggests we learn Chivalry so we can build knights, our Cavalry masters say No! We start Theology for its great cultural power and use the big picture to raise the science rate to 60%. I also check for riots while and prevent one. London, York & Coventry Cavalry>Cavalry.

Liverpool aqueduct>rax. The resistance in Grenoble has ended. MM Canterbury for growth and York + Coventry for production.

670AD (1) Bombard Orleans and redline one pike, two spears and the city is easily taken with minimal HP loses. We capture 3 slaves. Our full strength army kills two MDIs blocking the Kolhapur-Orleans road. In the NE, despite our bombardment of Besancon being ineffective our impatient cavalry charge uphill to storm the city.

IBT Orlean & Grenoble riot – no surprise we install Govenors in all the captured French cities. Joan’s MDI kills one of ours. Jaipur Library > Market – Jaipur has manageable corruption so I will send some workers there. MM New York.

680AD (2) Main force advances on Paris. In the NE, Rouen is captured. In the NW, follow up forces kill three French units near Kolhapur.

IBT France requests audience – Ha ha. New York riots.

690AD (3) In the NW, follow up forces kill two French units near Bombay but embarrassingly lose a longbow. There are no more French behind the front. Reduce science rate to 50% for Theology in 2. Re-deploy some workers from the south of India to the north where there is less corruption and waste. Change a lot of builds to temples in fully corrupt cities where we need the culture for domination. Change builds in moderately corrupt cities that need culture to libraries as this will generate a few more beakers.

IBT French galley spotted near Bombay. Hastings musket>musket. Cambridge rax>long. Canterbury cannon>library.

700 AD (4) 10 cannon and trebuchet redline all four Parisienne spearmen. The first elite MDI to attack wins and generates GL Nelson who raises an army in Orleans . We capture Paris, Market, 3 slaves and the Great Wall. The French capital moves to Lyons. In the NE, we capture Rheims – no losses. Cavalry start attacking Chartres and kill a pike.

Workers start chopping forests to speed up Temple builds in S India and Fran ce

IBT
We discover Theology (Oracle now obsolete) > Education. We need Astronomy to ship over units. Can build temples. London Cavalry>cavalry. Phili cannon>galley. Newcastle cavalry>galley. Norwich galley>galley. Richmond harbour>galley.

710 AD (5) MM NY for growth to size 12 in 1. Sell granary in London to save gold. Start disbanding regular forces in India to hurry Temples. Bombard French galley. Nelsons Army kills a pike in Chartres and an elite cavalry captures the city. Science rate back at 60%.

IBT
French galley retreats. A spare French MDI appears near Lyons. Washington Temple>market. York cavalry > cavalry. Oxford market>cavalry. Exeter harbour>galley.

720 AD (6) An infantry force with a little artillery support captures Lyons and the Great Lighthouse . Our galleys are now safe at sea and have 5mps. Bombard French galley. Galley finds sea crossing to Russia from Reading to Orenburg. Infantry army takes out one pike defender at Tours (new capital) while cannons move adjacent. Build embassy in Istanbul for 67g. Size 7, garrison: 1 trebuchet, 2 settlers, 5 spears & 1 horse all regular Feudalism. Market, Palace, Library & Colosseum, Barracks in 1. 9 production 22 commerce 4 surplus food. Dyes and horses.

IBT Agree RoP with Osman after our troops are expelled. French MDI kills one of our cavalry. Nottingham market>cavalry. Coventry cavalry>galley. Brighton aqueduct>cavalry. Chittagong Library>market.

730 AD (7) Last pike in Tours is killed, city is ours. Build embassy in Peking sign RoP. Mao gives 34g for the privelege.. Barracks, Granary, Library, Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, 7 pikes, 1 vet MDI 1 settler building a pike 11 production 1 surplus food size 11. Sell York granary to save gold.
IBT Dover aqueduct>galley

740 AD (8) Marselles and Avignon captured. It has a barracks. We can use then sell. France is left with 2 galleys our cannon close in on them.
IBT We learn education>astronomy and in so doing generate Scientific GL Issac Newton – we can rush palace on new continent, a great wonder so stop this turn. Galleys return to upgrade.

750 AD (9) Cannon redline then our galley sinks French galley.
IBT New York Temple > Courthouse. Sell granary to save some gold. York cavalry>cavalry. Coventry galley>galley

760 AD (10) Royal Navy and Royal Artillery are out manoeuvred by Joan so only one trebuchet can attack but we take a HP from her last galley. More cannon arrive to hopefully finish the job next turn .

Prognosis

To get the domination victory we need gold to rush temples on the German/China continent. We can use Issac Newton to rush the Sistine Chapel or Copernicus Observatory (tech due in 3). Either will trigger our Golden Age for a big boost to our gold. Make sure all worked tiles in our core are roaded to maximise gold.

Russia has Cossacks so I think we should attack Germany next.

We currently have 87 units and 83 allowed costing us 8 gold per turn so a few disbands in France/India are needed with more disbands to follow every time a new cavalry is built. In France/India we have time and can continue disbanding troops and chopping to get the Temples built. Every shield gained by this way or normal production saves us 4 gold. Don’t worry about disbanding MDI, Longbows or even cannon as most of the future fighting will be by army and cavalry due to their faster movement rate. Do not disband the captured cannon as they don’t cost us any upkeep.

We have RoPs with Germany (1 turns left), Ottomans (16 turns left) and China (17 turns left) but not with Russia. Exploration of their continent is well underway – see minimap. In three turns we can mass upgrade galleys to caravels to increase troop carrying capacity from 2 to 3.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Wow, great job Perugia!

I haven't looked at the save yet, but does France just have a settler on a galley left?

And talk about luck. You got a ML AND a GL! I think I've only had 1 GL ever.

I'll comment more after I've looked at the save.

 

[Evincar]

That was impressive Perugia, poor Joan!!

Russia has Cossacks so I think we should attack Germany next.

No, they don't unless they have done a miracle and suddenly catch up with the rest of the world. Last time I checked russia was horribly backwards, the only ones between us and our supremacy are China and Germany. Are they still at war btw?

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

Just looked at the save.

First of all, yes Evincar, China and Germany are still at war.

Also, France still has 2 cities. Dijon (capital) is off the east coast of France, mostly still in the fog. I have no idea where Amiens is, but it's probably around there also. We can get Amiens and 20 gold for peace, if we don't feel like searching for it.

Russia doesn't even have Gunpowder yet, so they definitely don't have Cossacks...

As for the wonder, I was thinking of Smith's. It's one of my favorite wonders, and it will also give us our Golden Age. Economics is only 11-13 turns away.

As for our next target, I vote either Ottomans or Russia, before they get Sipahi or Cossacks. Germany and China can keep each other busy for now.

 

[Perugia]

Also, France still has 2 cities. Dijon (capital) is off the east coast of France, mostly still in the fog.

Well spotted and sorry, I did not see that city and did not check diplo screen either after I captured Avignon .

Just checked the 750AD save. It was an actually Ancient Cavalry I saw in Yakutsk which is more like it as russia doesn't have gunpowder but does have the Stature of Zeus. I need to get used to these new fangled C3C wonders - I never saw one of those before so wrongly assumed it was cossacks.

I like the sound of Smiths as a wonder. That will save alot of gold from upkeeping our marketplaces - all the more to spend on rushing temples when we need to.

Hopefully our cannon near Marseilles can redline the French galley this turn so our galleys near Lyons can finish it off then head for Dijon. There is an army on a galley just outside Leeds that can head there also plus more galleys in Newcastle.

Russia should be the next target as the RoP with Ottomans has 16 turns left. Apart from the crossing near Manchester there is now one between Reading and Orenburg as our galleys now have 5 movement points thanks to the Great Lighthouse. With luck there might be a third crossing point between Dijon and Russia, so all our troops in France/India don't have to be shipped via Reading.

 

[soul_warrior]

perugia.

my vote would be for smith's as a wonder. im a sucker for that 50gpt bonous.
russia imho should be next in line, after which it should be china or germany (probably china, as they are closer)
peace with france? i cant look at the save now, but what is our WW status? i think we can use a few turns of peace, and since joan is out of the picture, and i dont see how we can finish her off too fast, peace could be nice.

BTW - who's next?

 

[Perugia]

perugia.

my vote would be for smith's as a wonder. im a sucker for that 50gpt bonous.
russia imho should be next in line, after which it should be china or germany (probably china, as they are closer)
peace with france? i cant look at the save now, but what is our WW status? i think we can use a few turns of peace, and since joan is out of the picture, and i dont see how we can finish her off too fast, peace could be nice.

BTW - who's next?

penwa - On deck
evincar
iroquoisplisken
soul_warrior - skipped
perugia - Just went
soul_warrior - Up now

Voting for Issac Newton
penwa - none
evincar - one
iroquoisplisken - Smiths
soul_warrior - Smiths
perugia - Smiths

I have nothing against peace with France but I fear there is a big chance of defections. You should finish Joan off asap. I reckon it will take 4-5 turns to get the forces into place.

I suggest we hold off making peace until ready to attack then make peace for whatever we can get at the time then ruthlessly break the treaty. I don't think our reputation will suffer as the other Civ's and Joan probably do not know each other. We can check this by seeing if Joan is able to offer us a military alliance as part of the deal.

 

[soul_warrior]

ok - i got it.
will play tonite, and post tomorow as my home connection is dead for 3 weeks.
will go for smiths with the leader.
will try to kill joan, but if not possible, will do something.
will start moving troops for next war.

i will NOT sign peace, and then break it, as i consider this an exploit. i also dont KNOW that joan is isolated. she probably is, but i dont KNOW. so i would rather risk some flips, keeping a few troops in that area.
what i WILL try, is killing her asap, while starving the french.

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

I have nothing against peace with France but I fear there is a big chance of defections. You should finish Joan off asap. I reckon it will take 4-5 turns to get the forces into place.

I suggest we hold off making peace until ready to attack then make peace for whatever we can get at the time then ruthlessly break the treaty. I don't think our reputation will suffer as the other Civ's and Joan probably do not know each other. We can check this by seeing if Joan is able to offer us a military alliance as part of the deal.

Well, the only reason I suggested peace was because we don't know where Amiens is. However, after we take Dijon, won't Amiens show up on the map just like Dijon did (since it's the new capital)?

And just fyi, you can also look at the Foreign Advisor screen and select the civs to see if they know each other.

 

[Evincar]

I have a different idea for newton: Build Sistine, and get Smith using our tech lead.
Reasons for this:

- Everyone lacks at least 5 techs to Smith
- We can prebuild it with enough time and get the tech "just in time"
- And well, Sistine rocks

 

[soul_warrior]

will check both ideas (sistine > smiths, and just a solo smiths)
didnt play yet, but will soon.
any more comments are welcome.
and i know i can look in the diplo screen, just didnt have the save near me, that all...

 

[soul_warrior]

pre turn - rush Readings galley, MM for growth, and worker next turn.
move some troops closer to port, so i can take on france soon.

1-MM liverpool for a 10shield output. cav > cav, move Newton to york and wait there.
chop some wood in the outer realm to speed up production.
sink that french galley, but lose 1 galley to it .
rush Karachi temple (40g) will go for a settler next turn.

2-Fritz asks for a RoP, i take it and all his cash, as he poses no threat to us.
Phili galley > aqua,

3-Astronomy in > go for Banking @ 70 in 4.
decided to hurry Sistine and prebuild for smith's.
Nelson's army is the first to set foot on the new french colonies.

4- China and Germany now have peace. and we have SIstine's in London and our GA.
London starts on Copenicus's (as its the best science city) due in 12. i think we can get that and smiths both.

York cav > temple (next cathedral), culcata temple > lib, Coventry caravel > caravel, Exeter > court (50% corrupt)

5- serious unhappiness ups the lux to 20%. lower sci to 40 (banking still in 2 @ +212gpt)
boston temple > harbour, newcastle lib > uni, some MM for happiness.
get DIJON, move in for the kill.

6- York temple > cathedral, bengal temple > cannon, rush temple in delhi for 130g.
Nelson takes out Amiens, but no "the french are defeated message" - is joan afraid of the English lion?

7- Banking in, Economics @ 60 for 4 turns and +52gpt. delhi temple > settler, paris-lyons-tours set for settlers.
coventry caravel > bank, liverpool cav > cav,

8- NY court > lib, Chittagong & Jaipur market > bank, cambridge settler > harbour, some settlers are out heading for New England.

9- i finally agree to let Joan have some quiet, as i cant find any new frernch towns.

10- mass upgraded some galleys. set the wheels in motion for the russian invasion.
i have just now found the last french city , it is being blocaded.
sci is now 40% economics in 2 +315gpt. 1593g in the bank. did some MM in towns to increase growth.

there are are galleys off russian waters near her iron, waiting.
during my last turns did some massive disbanding so we could build better units. and save up the cash.

next goals - settle New England ASAP. i have 2 settlers enroute and a few more being built-walking to port. i guess we can fit about 10 cities there.

York will finish a Cathedral in 3, so if you want to switch to Smith's watch it (Eco due in 2).
i would go for smiths in York and leave Copernicus in London (due in 9). i MM'd both for maximum SPT, with york growing slowly.
i would recommend getting SHAKESPEARS in york after we get smiths. we will have enough of a tech lead for a nice prebuild on it.
i would also use up the rest of our GA to boost up our banks, uni's etc, as i think we have enough troops for now.

the dot map is a partial New England picture. there is a lone french town down south, with room for 2-4 more cities.

enjoy

 

[soul_warrior]

this is the save

another further note.
the governor was ON in a lot of towns, set for happiness control.
please dont do that.
i really hate governor, and i can starve the french on my own, a thing the governor wont do fast enough.
hence next player - look into ALL cities, as they might be close to rioting.
i DONT think you have any due next turn, but please check.
otherwise - great job, Perugia.

and remember, we are now at peace AND in our GOLDEN AGE.
use these turns wisely.

 

[Penwa]

untill i can get my pc back from the shop because of a power surge i cant play so whoever after me please take my turn untill i notify you that my pc is back and all clean again. oh and i also vote for the smitheys.

 

[Evincar]

Taking it. How convenient you can't play Penwa, because I won't be home from Sunday to Thursday

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

You know, no one else has met the French (Foreign Advisor has no other lines connected to the French), so if we wanted to, we could brake our agreement with them and destroy them. I don't know if soul_warrior or anyone else finds this cheating, though.

And in case you haven't noticed, I'm back. In fact, I have this whole week off (February vacation), so I'll have plenty of time to play my turns.

 

[Evincar]

Sorry, but it's been impossible to play and I'm out the whole week. Skip me please

 

[IroquoisPlisken]

I guess it's my turn. I'll play tomorrow.

If no one else posts before then, I won't redeclare on the French.