new guy needs help

[vmxa]

Ok, I found my C3 game and loaded this up for a look. Wow no workers, looks like a Sid AI after a few hundred turns of being at war. Sort of like cutting your throat, it will not make things better.

DC:
Make tax man and go to wealth, may as well get what you can. Would gift the town after IBT, not sure whom the lucky party should be right now. I would not want to give it to anyone at war with the Yanks as they will take it back. I would prefer to find someone that will force them to DOW to get it back or flip it later, if they can.

First town I look at is Memphis:
No Lit so no libs.

I see Chariots are in the tree, so GA is still available.
Man I do not have pop heads in vanilla, so it is a pain to see who is
unhappy/content and happy.
Switch knight to aqua. Dam, you have a cathedral, a bad idea at any
level, you cannot afford it at deity. I sell it and temple and I shudder to think
of all those shields that you could have used.

OH my, it is 510AD and the FP is not built or even started? I know in C3 and PTW the FP is a big deal, but look at the map, you are not going to be putting it up in some swell new land any time soon.

I move pop a bit. Moved off forest to mountain and move off hill to grass. The net affect is to not change the build time for the aqua and gain 1 commerce and 1 food. Now if we had some workers and chopped the trees the aqua would be up, we could mine the BG and be way ahead here.

In the very early part of the game, saving a forest to work is a useful concept. Having 8 tiles worth in your core town and it still being a town, is going to doom you in most games at this level.

Judicious chops of many of those tiles could have gotten structures up quickly and units. Oh, I forgot you do not have any workers, sorry. Did I mention that was crazy? That is as I said one of the things the AI does at Sid that lets me beat it.

What good is Steam going to do you, you won't be able to rail anything, IF you have coal. A not likely scenario with so little land, but you could get lucky and still not be able to take advantage of that break.

 

[zerksees]

Actually looked at the save, and started to play it. But I doubt I'll finish it - too easy. Here is what I would do after the IBT:
Gift Wash to Greeks to get your troops home.
Sell democracy to India collect 24 gpt, furs, 12 gold and a worker

After that I would put that gold to work and upgrade all the knights to cavs and warriors to swords! This will make you look a lot bigger to the AI.
Build some workers - change the cruddy size 1's to workers, you can get three or four every 10 turns just from that. Build some aqueducts - lacking these is stunting growth. Build the forbidden palace - maybe cash rush courthouse at corrupt then start it there. Chop down some of those forests, mine the grass (start near capital which could make a lot more shields)and irrigate the plains.

Make peace with America at the end of your military alliances (9 turns or so). Now you have a huge stack of cavs you will need a target. Iroquois lack military tradition and they look like the big dog so I would go after them. You'll need some settlers as i would go raze and replace (help fix your worker problem and less culture flips). You'll want the Americans and the Indians to join you against Iro (and as many others as you can). If you are afraid of Iro then go after Greece. I would also build a few muskets to defend cities and whatever positions are needed and a few war chariots and take them along to kick off the golden age.

I'm guessing you joined the workers since there was not much for them to do. I advise against this. If they are out of things to do you need to go acquire more land.

I see England appears to be under a dogpile. If you could get Iro under a dogpile, the AI will kill each other and not trade buying you time to scoop up all the cities. Two under the dogpile would help ensure parity. Worst thing that can happen is if one AI wins and eats up the other because that AI could start running away with it.

If I ever decide to play further I'll post back.

 

[vmxa]

That is pretty much what I did with, the choice on who to give it to and whom the next target will be is open. Several other towns can knock out a worker in a hurry and then get back to work.

You just have to clear most of the forest before steam. First you need to be able to mine or irrigate and second you can rail faster with the trees gone.

The biggest trick is to avoid a run away and that is not completely in your control. If one occurs, you would be in trouble, if not you should be able to get land and get going.

It will be a bit harder as you cannot really get good farms going in C3. Worker are like gold, you want to have them. After rails are up, then you could merge some, but mostly you don't need to do that when you get to that point.

Now that I have read Oversee714 log, I would strongly suggest not going to democracy. You will need to be at war for a long time to gain the land you need. You do not have to play like AW, but you should be at war with someone till you have a lot more land.

I guess you could switch back and forth, but why take even a short anarchy? IIRC you get no unit support in Rep or Dem in C3,so that will hurt.

Oh, I stole Steam and no coal as you would expect.

 

[geishapunk]

Look at my pics what i did to his empire. Coal appears nears to Marseilles, so the war against France brought several googd things! But for a longing war he lacks the power!!! It needs a lot of rebuilding and building done before he can go into longer wars! The AI ist more advanced, has more units and is ahead in the tech pace!

 

[vmxa]

I don't remember where the coal I saw was, but it was in French land, maybe 15 or so tiles away. There could have been others as I was about to call it a night and did not look real hard.

All I can say is I am not going to build uni's or courts, if I was to play it out and I am not going to Demo ever. DC you just must gift it , nothing else to be done. Get your free techs and gift it to someone.

The whom, is up for debate. I would just be sure it was not someone who is already at war with the Yanks. Probably best, if it someone who is weaker than the other choices.
I would like them to not be able to roll the Yanks, but you do what you can.

Then you need to get to making Chariots in large numbers. The only question in my mind, is how many workers to pop before WC's are started. I wanted to get forest chopped to get growth later, so I would attempt to chop aqua's where I could and then go for WC's.

No research at all, steal or pointing sword or both. I stoled from China and got it on first try. I wanted to know if I could get coal soon or not. If so, then more workers, if not slaves will be coming.

I did not look at the game real hard to determine relative strengths, but it is not a huge problem as you will fight better. Once nations are at war, they will start to suffer in all aspects. They will not be able to keep pop happy, research and soon troops will be slower in coming.

All the time you will be getting stronger. The main concern is someone like China will run over someone and get too strong, before you can get you shot in.

If I did play on, I would switch it to C3C as the interface for C3 just sucks. If I was a C3 or PTW owner, I would look for a deal to get C3C.

 

[Rodent]

Not an Excellent position by any means. but you do have many things to work with

Upgrade your Knights and attack Greece ASAP. with cities making war chariots ( 1-2 a turn) you can overwhelm greece and Conquer a nice bit of land for yourself. Start making Cannons Then start making Improvements (banks and Marketplaces for cash and Unis and Libraries for research and go for Replaceable parts. Once that is achieved start Making LOTS of Artillery (Upgrade your cannons) and take out Iroquois . After that it should be relatively easy to get a Diplomatic or Space Race Victory

 

[vmxa]

Rodent, he starts, after the GLB techs, with no IA techs and would take forever to research RP. By the time you did, top civs will be many tech down the line and you will be dealing with Infantry.

I actually did go for a market in one place, but banks are going to be very far off. They will take too long, so you will have to squeeze one in now and then.

I do not know the past in this game, but I have to figure that he has few friends and the UN would be a risk and very very far off. You are going to have fewer friends as time goes on, the others will be bribing each other. Lots of alliance will come and go.

Space, you could conquer faster and, if you do not slash the big dogs, they will be the ones with SS. Someone like China could have large chunks of the map in short order. This would leave you in a tough place for resources for parts.

Those condition could happen, but if you do not gain a large part of the pie, I do not like the chances.

 

[i like pies]

I sorta wanna know how to get the best start to a civ you possibly can