maverick_mw
Toy Soldier
It would be nice to have UUs for each Civ and for each era, but I suppose it would have problems with Civ's such as the Aztecs who never "reached" the modern era.....
New Ideas for UU's
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The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Well, they continued to be quite glorious well into the gunpowder age. My "instant image" of the Janissaries features 16th century musket-wielding ones.
If they were to be a pre-gunpowder variety, what about a Longbowman replacement? The use of the composite bow was held in high esteem in the Ottoman Empire, and since we didn't get a Sipahi toting one, a footman with one could be cool. Can't think of any appropriate statline, tho' - a 5/1/1 Longbowman would be a bit boring. A 4/1/2 one at fifty shields, perhaps?
I still like the 2/4/2 Musketman idea better.
Sean Lindstrom: The word "ferenghi" meant originally "French", later used for anything Western or European. Ferengistan is a name of France. I thought you might be amused to know.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Actually, the Iroquois reached their military strength after Gunpowder
I would give them a "War Party" or something like that
It would replace Musketman and be 2.4.2 (something like that)
I don't think a unit for each era is a good idea, but giving each civ 2 UUs is a good idea
GEChallenger
lurking
The mod I'm making will have many, many UU's and Flavor Units for civs and culture groups. I'm hoping to have as many as ten for some and at least four for all, although this may be hard to do.
This will be awhile down the road though, I still have to straigten out the regular standard unit lines and stats. Likely the second or third incarnation will include all of the UU's.
Here is the list I've made for the Americans so far (not all have graphics yet):
Pioneer: Uprgrade of settler with faster movement (a covered wagon)
Minuteman: replaces Militia, stronger all around
Outlaw: a "cowboy" (Dark Sheer's bandit) that replaces Rebel
MI Abrams: stronger Armor
Bradley: Stronger Mech Infantry
Ranger: replaces Commando and Special Ops
Paladin: replaces Self Propelled Artillery
GI: replaces Infantry
Tomahawk: Cruise missile with a longer range
AEGIS Cruiser: replaces cruiser
Frontiersman: replaces explorer: think Daniel Boone
This will be awhile down the road though, I still have to straigten out the regular standard unit lines and stats. Likely the second or third incarnation will include all of the UU's.
Here is the list I've made for the Americans so far (not all have graphics yet):
Pioneer: Uprgrade of settler with faster movement (a covered wagon)
Minuteman: replaces Militia, stronger all around
Outlaw: a "cowboy" (Dark Sheer's bandit) that replaces Rebel
MI Abrams: stronger Armor
Bradley: Stronger Mech Infantry
Ranger: replaces Commando and Special Ops
Paladin: replaces Self Propelled Artillery
GI: replaces Infantry
Tomahawk: Cruise missile with a longer range
AEGIS Cruiser: replaces cruiser
Frontiersman: replaces explorer: think Daniel Boone
Sgt.Hellfish
King of the Oceans
the Man-o-war was a type of ship, not a name mary rose was the biggest ship but it sunk due to water getting in all teh cannon halls
Naval Power
Sailing the Seven Seas
Rethinking what I said, I happen to agree a Ironclad UU would be a good Idea. But the graphic for the present one is the Moniter which would be the UU most likely. I was thinking bigger defense (representing its low profile) and maybe a larger attack (representing those two guns that could swivel unlike other ships of the era) maybe something like 5.5.4 and a better bombard say 5.1.3 (3 representing less time to load the guns since only two of them were on it). If this is overpowered maybe it would cost more like 90 shields? Your thoughts please. As for Egypt I'd like to see macemen with an extra attack and move over swords.
Lord_all_Mighty
Watching....
Rome: Cataphract Replaces: Horsemen
Greece: Peltast Replaces: Archer
America: Navy SEAL Replaces: Marine
Celts: Woad Raider Replaces: Warrior
Ottomans: Janissary Replaces: Musketman
Aztecs: Eagle Warrior Replaces: Spearman
China: Co Ko Nu Replaces: Longbowman
Greece: Peltast Replaces: Archer
America: Navy SEAL Replaces: Marine
Celts: Woad Raider Replaces: Warrior
Ottomans: Janissary Replaces: Musketman
Aztecs: Eagle Warrior Replaces: Spearman
China: Co Ko Nu Replaces: Longbowman
Krulichus
Chieftain
Japan : Yamato class battleship; biggest baddest battleship in the world! 18" guns.....what else can I say? (24.18.5) Bombard (16.2.3)
Viking : Longboat (replaces galley and can survive sea, but not ocean)
American : Confederate Infantry (killed more men in the world than any other military force in the 1900's) so replaces Riflemen (4.8.1)---yeah yeah....but they were 'still' American, as Abe Lincoln would say so. Not to mention that the Cossacks fought against the Russians on and off for quite some time.
Rome : hmmm.....outpost with a defense factor (3)!! (Immobile unit).....the outposted forts used at Alesia against Vercengetorix
Carthage : Shock Elephant (artillery unit actually) bombard of 6 instead of catapult 4. Replaces catapult.
Viking : Longboat (replaces galley and can survive sea, but not ocean)
American : Confederate Infantry (killed more men in the world than any other military force in the 1900's) so replaces Riflemen (4.8.1)---yeah yeah....but they were 'still' American, as Abe Lincoln would say so. Not to mention that the Cossacks fought against the Russians on and off for quite some time.
Rome : hmmm.....outpost with a defense factor (3)!! (Immobile unit).....the outposted forts used at Alesia against Vercengetorix
Carthage : Shock Elephant (artillery unit actually) bombard of 6 instead of catapult 4. Replaces catapult.
farting bob
ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.
china kinda does. and maybe japan, but im no expert....
i think a beter ida would be ato have a UB, unique building. for example, egypt could have tombs that increase happiness (peoppel belivingin a aafterlife was very importan to the stability of he country), france could have a art gallery (louve maybe) that adds 4 culture points and an extra commerce for the city tile.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Hmm
I'm not sure about this
I think this had more to do with the weapons and the generals.
I wouldn't be suprised if the German Machine Gunners of WWI would rank second. (Both opposing generals sent men against weapons that caused odds they couldn't win)
Is this possible to make?
I find it interesting that people think of Elephants with Carthage.
Only 4 of Hannibal's Elephants survived. He got replacements, but he never had a battle where he used them effectively.
The 2 units that were the best in Hannibals army were Libyan Infantry (Numidian Mercenaries in Civ3: PTW) and Numidian Cavalry.
But that is an interesting idea for a UU replacement
earendil 1
The Halfelven
Sorry for bringing this old post up but the Immortals were a type of soldier more distinctive to Persia, better than the mounted archer, although Persia was feared for its cavalry. Just to tell people here, the Immortals were not as effective as they are in the game.
Also the hoplite should obviosly remain the Greekks UU.
There was a thread in here that said something about replacing the Roman Legion. No, that is the best UU for the Romans. But these would be good if the game alllowed for 2 UUs per civ.
P.S. The immortals did not carry swords like that. Their weaponry was mostly spears, bows, and short swords. They had pathetic wicker shileds that couldnt stand a chance against a determined blow of an enemy spear. Also, Greek hoplites slaugtered the Immortals in combat. Greek hoplites should be more powerful.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
I know that
I was suggesting a second UU
I read alot about Persia
Their tactic was to use Archers until their opponent's forces were disorginized. Only then would melee units attack. They also used Cavalry more than any other nation of that time (20% of their army)
The elite army was the Immortal. They dressed in funny costumes (like the Swiss guard did). They weren't really equipped with anything worth mentioning. They had a Spear.
They would die quickly in battle, only to be replaced. They would fill lines to look like it was at full strength.
BTW, you can edit the game to give each civ more than 1 UU.
earendil 1
The Halfelven
that would be nice if there was some sort of river travel. I wonder if that is moddable.
Naval Power
Sailing the Seven Seas
How bout a Ironclad for America like I posted before? Although this could make America like England having a naval UU that noone would want to play them for.
Yes the Yamato's 18 inch guns would add a new dimension to Japan
I might have to add them to my game because I love my Navy.
Yes the Yamato's 18 inch guns would add a new dimension to Japan
I might have to add them to my game because I love my Navy.
Aramazd
Deity
America:6/10/2 or 6/12/1 GI replaces Infantry or
26/12/3 M1 Abrams replaces Armor
France: 2/5/1 Musketeer
Britan:5/1/1 longbowman
26/12/3 M1 Abrams replaces Armor
France: 2/5/1 Musketeer
Britan:5/1/1 longbowman
Aramazd
Deity
sorry I ment 26/16/3
I like incorporating something a little different for the UUs on my user-defined civs - for example, Ethiopia have a Tribal Warrior (Attack 2, Defence 2 and Movement 2), that can also build a city; Israel have the Maccabee, which has the exact same stats as the swordsman, but can be built at the beginning of the game and not require iron.
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