New Leaderhead - King Atlas of Atlantis

[Steph]

Originally posted by RagnarD


Well, Plato does and, while he may have been telling a whopper, his writings are part of history. And they say that Atlantis sank 9000 years prior to their writing.

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The most recent theory is that Plato used the Crete civilization, enemy of Athen, as the model for his Atlantis, a "theoretic" civilization he used to illustrate his philosophical writing.
It is also believe he used months instead of years, probably to stress the length of the period, but some traduction errors introduce the year. So it won't be 9000 years, but 9000 months (750 years). Incidently, its the same think in the Bible with the 900 years of Mathusalem (who was in fact 75 years old, and that time it WAS very old).
By the way, the volcanic eruption of the Santorin produced a very powerful Tsunami which is believed to be the cause of the disparition of the Crete civilization, about 800 years before Platon.
Quite interesting coincidence isn't it?

 

[RagnarD]

So it won't be 9000 years, but 9000 months

You are, indeed, correct that this is the modern interpretation. In fact, his own writings support that theory, since he claims that the Athenians fought the Atlanteans, and they were definitely not around 9000 years prior to the telling.

It should also be noted that 9000 years prior to the writing of Plato was squarely in the stone age, and the likelihood of the existance of an advanced culture such as Plato describes was pretty slim.

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[bhiita]

VERY NICE LEADER HEAD!!!!! it's more than perfect
I can't wait!!!!!!
BTW, some Russian guy (forgot what is name is) has a theory that atlantis was an ice age civilization, that the 'island' was actually the sea bed that would have surfaced due the wieght of the glaciers on the earths crust combined with the lower sea level due to the amount of water that would have been retained by them. I'll look for the imformation again if someone else knows what I'm talking about pls pm/post the link. (don't want to highjack the thread )

ohh...and I like to think it was the egyptian priest that was telling the story that Plato was mearly recalling it. and the way in wich the priest is talking (plato recalling) and what he says I tend to think it's more likely a LARGE amount of time. the dialoge seems too....mindfull of comunication to over dramatize months instead of years

 

[bhiita]

Originally posted by RagnarD


You are, indeed, correct that this is the modern interpretation. In fact, his own writings support that theory, since he claims that the Athenians fought the Atlanteans, and they were definitely not around 9000 years prior to the telling.

It should also be noted that 9000 years prior to the writing of Plato was squarely in the stone age, and the likelihood of the existance of an advanced culture such as Plato describes was pretty slim.

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from Timæus,

"...just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized
life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only
those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children,
and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves."

"In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones"

 

[RagnarD]

I like to think it was the egyptian priest that was telling the story

That's what Plato wants you to think.

In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones

I like the romance of it, but remember that Athens seems to have spanned the "deluge", somehow. But, hey, it's a nice story and anything is possible. I made the mod, so you know I want to believe.

Piernik: finish the d$%n exams, already, and we promise to stop threadjacking!

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[bhiita]

check this out! I found the link....Viatcheslav Koudriavtsev

:edit: this was quoted from the site....

"Assertions that Plato had a vague idea of time and chronology do not seem well-substantiated. As can be seen from his works, Plato was fairly mathematically-minded, since, apparently, he was under the influence of the Pythagorean school. Besides, there is such a natural approximate measure for assessing large spans of time as a generation, and it does not seem likely that Plato did not perceive the distinction between a period covering the lifespans of several tens of generations and that encompassing several hundreds of generations. (Hardly anyone would assert that Plato had a vague idea of the distinction between tens and hundreds.)

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by bhiita
(Hardly anyone would assert that Plato had a vague idea of the distinction between tens and hundreds.)

I didn't say Plato made a mistake. I say he used months instead of year on purpose, and that sometimes during translation (perhaps when speaking to your priest), the month became year

 

[bhiita]

I'm sorry, I didn't......

I....

I wasn't directing that toward you

I was just quoting the site but I would like to know what you mean. If this goes much further, we need a new thread

this is such a great leader head! when is going to be finnished
I like the eyes and the beard, but espesially the eyes! don't change them! if you do post two different versions, pls.

 

[Aeneas of Troy]

Nice leaderhead!

On Atlantis. If there is not one single piece of physical evidence, we can only speculate.

 

[RagnarD]

On Atlantis. If there is not one single piece of physical evidence, we can only speculate.

bhiita: You just gonna let that go?!?!?!

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by bhiita
I was just quoting the site but I would like to know what you mean. If this goes much further, we need a new thread

What would you like to know exactly?

 

[Syrus_Knife]

Atlantis eh? Unique Unit: Rolling Spearman?
lol

 

[bhiita]

Originally posted by RagnarD


bhiita: You just gonna let that go?!?!?!

Have you looked for any?
This is a liittle deap, but have you ever held physical evidence, that you have proven yourself to be beyond any scientific doubt, that anything beyond the sphere of your own senses is what you're told it is? Dinosaurs existed, but when man first stumbled on their fossils, did they know what they from? speculation is when you don't have all the facts. or don't understand the evidence.

 

[bhiita]

Originally posted by Steph


I didn't say Plato made a mistake. I say he used months instead of year on purpose, and that sometimes during translation (perhaps when speaking to your priest), the month became year

I would like to know why you say he used months instead of years on purpose.

and in the dialogues, I believe, plato was one of the guests present while Critias recited a story that was told to a friend of his great-grandfather.....I know.......I know..it's a story thats REALLY handed down, but for pete's sake (have you met pete?) these are people that coined the phrase 'barbarian'

Although this style of writing was popular with the greeks, why asume that's it's a style? I think it was their version of talk radio or something like that

 

[bhiita]

I will admit that I'm not that well read with classical greek writings though just a little. I had a book one time but I used it for something else (jk)

 

[RagnarD]

Piernik - how's this coming?

 

[Piernik]

Well... I have hard time at my School, so maybe after whole exams will be passed Give me two- three weeks - I hope

 

[Rickhan]

I like it alot !!!

I suggest a "third eye" tatoo on the forehead beween his sightless eyes.
Just a thought.

 

[Elden]

Originally posted by Rickhan
I like it alot !!!

I suggest a "third eye" tatoo on the forehead beween his sightless eyes.
Just a thought.

I think it looks great as is, beside Piernik said earlier that it isn't blindness its a different soft look because of Atlantis' culture.

 

[RagnarD]

So what would a modern era Atlantean king look like? I'm picturing some sort of zen chilled surfer sensai.