Aren't you just confusing the same thing in reverse? Not everyone who is Jewish in the Religious sense is an Israelite in the sense of nationality (although going back far enough their family will be)? Marx was German for example, and 30-40% of Harvard graduates will consist of a high number of Americans? Religion is going to addressed as a concept in Civ4 so hopefully they will come up with something that looks realistic.
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Aren't you just confusing the same thing in reverse? Not everyone who is Jewish in the Religious sense is an Israelite in the sense of nationality (although going back far enough their family will be)? Marx was German for example, and 30-40% of Harvard graduates will consist of a high number of Americans? Religion is going to addressed as a concept in Civ4 so hopefully they will come up with something that looks realistic.
Andro
Chieftain
Canals can only be built on "flat" terrain, no hills, mountains, or volcanoes.
Could there be locks on slight slopes?
Could there be locks on slight slopes?
Ebonite
Chieftain
Yes, I suppose that would be historically accurate. Base worker turns should be correspondingly increased in that case, though.
Shyrramar
Warlord
Now I am very curious about how Derrida has anything to with this conversation that is going on in here? One could say, though, that Derrida has to with everything, but Derrida has to do with nothing
.Most people probably don't know about him, not more than his name, anyway, so you'd better have a point here..
soren
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Well....someone brought up Jews/Hebrews/Israel as a new civ, and, discussing their traits, I mentioned that one should be scientific. I mentioned inteluctualism as a huge base for Jewish culture, this found in some examples, such as Einstein, Marx, Kafka, 30-40% of harvard, Derrida....
Sorry but your point is unclear because Marx is German, not Israelite in terms of nationality. Einstein was a German who spent much of his life in America, and therefore you cannot use these people as a justification of an intellectual Civ. You are confusing religious Jews with Israeli/Judean people, just as the person who suggested "Jews" as a Civ did. Although they are descendants of people who originally came from Israel you cannot cite them as examples if they are not born in Israel, which I know at least that Marx was not. And no I don't know who Derrida is
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Originally posted by AdHHH
Sorry but your point is unclear because Marx is German, not Israelite in terms of nationality. Einstein was a German who spent much of his life in America, and therefore you cannot use these people as a justification of an intellectual Civ. You are confusing religious Jews with Israeli/Judean people, just as the person who suggested "Jews" as a Civ did. Although they are descendants of people who originally came from Israel you cannot cite them as examples if they are not born in Israel, which I know at least that Marx was not. And no I don't know who Derrida is
no, no, no -- I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE FROM ISRAEL OR HAD ANY CONNECTION TO IT.
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Somebody proposed "Jews" as a civ ( http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1782743#post1782743 ). In this case, scientific is suitable. (Even though "Jews" as a civ makes nt sense whatsoever). Even in the case of Israel, btw, scientific is justified, since it is the center for scientific prosperity, in computing, medicine.....though this is the modern Israel....but the anceint perhaps too.......in any case, my point is: "Jewish" culture is saterated with acedemia.
Pirate
Emperor
Some off the wall ideas for modern wonders. Not trying to be ultra-realistic, just trying to add some intrigue and fun:
New Tech: Cloning (requires Genetic Engineering)
Allows wonder "Human Cloning" - instantly adds 2 population to each city, but these population are created as unhappy regardless of city size.
Reasoning: Represents the advances in medicine as well as the baby boom of infertile couples that would now be able to bear children, sort of an instant 1-turn of the "Longevity" small wonder. Clones appear as unhappy due to the stigma and controversey surrounding their creation.
New Tech: Nanotechnology (requires Miniaturization and Synthetic Fibers).
Allows Wonder: Mile High Tower. Eliminates unhappiness due to overcrowding in city which it is built. Instant tourist attraction.
Reasoning: A mile-high skyscraper has long been talked about but would be insanely difficult to engineer and build today. Carbon nanotubes woven into rigid beams would be stronger and lighter than steel, enabling the construction of such a wonder. The new vertical city would contain layers of housing, but also parks, forests, entertainment, and everything a resident would need. Ironic, too, that mastering the smallest construction would allow the largest wonder ever built.
New Tech: Cloning (requires Genetic Engineering)
Allows wonder "Human Cloning" - instantly adds 2 population to each city, but these population are created as unhappy regardless of city size.
Reasoning: Represents the advances in medicine as well as the baby boom of infertile couples that would now be able to bear children, sort of an instant 1-turn of the "Longevity" small wonder. Clones appear as unhappy due to the stigma and controversey surrounding their creation.
New Tech: Nanotechnology (requires Miniaturization and Synthetic Fibers).
Allows Wonder: Mile High Tower. Eliminates unhappiness due to overcrowding in city which it is built. Instant tourist attraction.
Reasoning: A mile-high skyscraper has long been talked about but would be insanely difficult to engineer and build today. Carbon nanotubes woven into rigid beams would be stronger and lighter than steel, enabling the construction of such a wonder. The new vertical city would contain layers of housing, but also parks, forests, entertainment, and everything a resident would need. Ironic, too, that mastering the smallest construction would allow the largest wonder ever built.
Beloyar
Demigod
New Wonders to add:
The Bolshoi Theater: Makes ppl happy/content in all cities on continent.
(Great theater, beautiful and famous worldwide for its ballet and opera)
The Hermitage Museum: Makes ppl happy/content and educated.
(The biggest collection of fine art in the world)
Other options: The Louvre, the Guggenheim Museum, etc.
I like someone's idea of a Trans-Siberian Railroad.
I suggest Cossack Expedition , expansionist (through Siberia to the Pacific coast): gives land units +1 movement across forests.
The Pyramids should not be used as granaries - they were tombs! Civ 4 should already change that.
The Bolshoi Theater: Makes ppl happy/content in all cities on continent.
(Great theater, beautiful and famous worldwide for its ballet and opera)
The Hermitage Museum: Makes ppl happy/content and educated.
(The biggest collection of fine art in the world)
Other options: The Louvre, the Guggenheim Museum, etc.
I like someone's idea of a Trans-Siberian Railroad.
I suggest Cossack Expedition , expansionist (through Siberia to the Pacific coast): gives land units +1 movement across forests.
The Pyramids should not be used as granaries - they were tombs! Civ 4 should already change that.
Al-Hejazi
Chieftain
We should add the Angkor Watt of Cambodia, Taj Mahal, Mecca, Rome, big wonders and places of which they have importance or are visited by many in the world, Btw do you think we should add the new freedom tower of New york, The Petrona towers of Malaysia and the new Burj Dubai ( http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=182168 ) Which will be the tallest tower in the world.
And a great suggestion is the Palm island of the UAE! it IS! the 8th world wonder after all! and it is a great commercial one too!
And a great suggestion is the Palm island of the UAE! it IS! the 8th world wonder after all! and it is a great commercial one too!
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How about:
Oh and someone said earlier that the Knights Templar wasn't built. Actually is was built -- right on top of the ruins of Solomon's Palace. Also, I like the idea someone posted earlier of the Great War wonder -- all drafted combat units have 3HP instead of 2HP. Yes I think they should add Israel to the game, but make it agricultural and religious. The Hebrews were an agricultural civ.
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Shield Cost 2000 (or something super high, requires a scientific leader in order to be built, can't be hurried, lots of resource requirements)
Reduces cost of all spaceship components, Strategic Missile Defense, and Spy Satellites by 30%
Eliminates pollution due to airports or something
Makes 1 person happy in all cities (space tourism) - Spy Satellites
A small wonder that removes the fog of war. - Solomon's Temple
Courthouse in every city - Solomon's Palace
2nd forbidden palace for civ under Theocratic govnt
Oh and someone said earlier that the Knights Templar wasn't built. Actually is was built -- right on top of the ruins of Solomon's Palace. Also, I like the idea someone posted earlier of the Great War wonder -- all drafted combat units have 3HP instead of 2HP. Yes I think they should add Israel to the game, but make it agricultural and religious. The Hebrews were an agricultural civ.
Highgeneral
Gone forever!
the Agincourt victory monument
requires Chivalry
cost 500
expires with steam power give a millitary G.L. once ever 20 turns
requires Chivalry
cost 500
expires with steam power give a millitary G.L. once ever 20 turns
Beloyar
Demigod
The Pyramids should strengthen despotism or monarchy. For example, decrease corruption, or increase production in the civ, or make workers work more efficiently under despotism, etc.
wolfdane said:
Beloyar
Demigod
This might make things interesting.
Allow small wonders connected to each civ historically. These could be religious, cultural, and otherwise.
The English can build the St. Paul Cathedral or the York Cathedral to make citizens happier, or the London House of Parliament for a civil bonus.
The French can build the Notre Dame of Paris, the Eiffel Tower, or the Versailles Palace, etc.
The Romans (Italians) can build the Sistine Chapel, Trajan's Forum, or Michalangelo's David. (The Vatican can take the place of Sistine Chapel as the great wonder.)
The Russians can build St. Basil's Cathedral, the Hermitage Museum, the Bolshoi Theater, or First Space Expedition, etc.
The Americans can build Hollywood, World Trade Center, Broadway, or Wall Street, etc.
Same thing for other civs.
For civs without wonders, like the Iroquois and the Zulus, I would give them wonders like the Grand Canyon Park or the Kruger Wildlife Refuge, etc.
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Also, I'd like to be able to build the Iron Works in more than one city, if I have more cities with iron and coal.
Allow small wonders connected to each civ historically. These could be religious, cultural, and otherwise.
The English can build the St. Paul Cathedral or the York Cathedral to make citizens happier, or the London House of Parliament for a civil bonus.
The French can build the Notre Dame of Paris, the Eiffel Tower, or the Versailles Palace, etc.
The Romans (Italians) can build the Sistine Chapel, Trajan's Forum, or Michalangelo's David. (The Vatican can take the place of Sistine Chapel as the great wonder.)
The Russians can build St. Basil's Cathedral, the Hermitage Museum, the Bolshoi Theater, or First Space Expedition, etc.
The Americans can build Hollywood, World Trade Center, Broadway, or Wall Street, etc.
Same thing for other civs.
For civs without wonders, like the Iroquois and the Zulus, I would give them wonders like the Grand Canyon Park or the Kruger Wildlife Refuge, etc.
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Also, I'd like to be able to build the Iron Works in more than one city, if I have more cities with iron and coal.
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