Shabbaman
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When? How do you mean, when? How to gain maximum benefit out of it?
That depends on the game.
That depends on the game.
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When, or how? When is personal preference. I prefer to do it after I've got hostpitals in my major cities, so growth takes off. I would think you'd want to do it out of despotism, probably in at least republic, although Monarchy will be okay. have enough cities to take advantage of the bonus', and have enough pop too.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
Stapel
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I mean: what triggers it?
Shabbaman
rebuffing the rebels
A victory with an unique unit, or a combination of wonders.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Thansk Shabba! I don't mean to be rude, but this is what I already knew. I'd like to know exactly.
Don't have a link, but it's brief enough to state here:
You will enter a golden age when either:
a) One of your Unique Units wins a battle against another Civ, or
b) You build a wonder and you currently own wonders whose attributes match all of your traits. Here is a link giving wonder attributes.
Note that in case (b) the wonder you've just built may not necessarily match any of your traits. You may have previously captured wonders to match your traits, but you don't get the GA 'til you build a wonder.
MadScot
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Each civ is assigned two traits: industrious, scientific, militaristic, religious, commercial and expansionist being the 6 choices.
edited to correct omission of expansionist
Each wonder is assigned one or more of these traits too.
The wonder key for the GA is that once you have built a combination of wonders which match your civ traits you have a probability (I dont believe its a certainty, although it is very likely) of triggering your GA.
Each civ also has one Unique Unit. If that unit wins a battle - defeating the enemy, actually killing it, retreats don't count - and the enemy is another civ's unit i.e. not a barbarian then you will - certainly - trigger a GA.
You get one, and only one, GA per game.
Ai civs get GAs by exactly those rules too.
edit: too slow. yes, I forgot about the AI wonder oddity. Another note is that if your UU can't actually kill enemy units - Korea has that problem, since the Hwacha (spelling) cannot kill, and America is almost as badly off, since the F-15 needs the enemy to cooperate by sending bombers for it to shoot down (or using it as a bomber and hping they intercept it) - then you are stuck with the wonder method only.
edited to correct omission of expansionist Each wonder is assigned one or more of these traits too.
The wonder key for the GA is that once you have built a combination of wonders which match your civ traits you have a probability (I dont believe its a certainty, although it is very likely) of triggering your GA.
Each civ also has one Unique Unit. If that unit wins a battle - defeating the enemy, actually killing it, retreats don't count - and the enemy is another civ's unit i.e. not a barbarian then you will - certainly - trigger a GA.
You get one, and only one, GA per game.
Ai civs get GAs by exactly those rules too.
edit: too slow. yes, I forgot about the AI wonder oddity. Another note is that if your UU can't actually kill enemy units - Korea has that problem, since the Hwacha (spelling) cannot kill, and America is almost as badly off, since the F-15 needs the enemy to cooperate by sending bombers for it to shoot down (or using it as a bomber and hping they intercept it) - then you are stuck with the wonder method only.
Each wonder has an attribute, like the civs do. When you have a wonder that matches your civ's attributes, or if you have a combination of two wonders that match the attributes, this will start the Golden Age.
I think This Thread has a graphics mod that will show you what each wonders attributes are, and what each civs attributes are as well to compare. I've been using this for a while, and it is quite helpful.
I'd'a answered faster, but was digging up that link. . .
I think This Thread has a graphics mod that will show you what each wonders attributes are, and what each civs attributes are as well to compare. I've been using this for a while, and it is quite helpful.
I'd'a answered faster, but was digging up that link. . .
pdescobar
Moo, baby. Moo.
Don't play expansionist civs much, do ya MadScot?
I'm almost certain it's certain. To the point where I have never seen the right-traited Wonders fail to give a GA in all my games.
MadScot
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Turner and Galcador
You both answered to say wonders give the GA for sure. I thought there was a chance they wouldn't. I'd be happy to be wrong, is it documented somewhere? Finding stuff with no search engine is a pain.
pd
I'll edit that post directly.
*hangs head in shame*
I thought that I read once that there was a "chance' of a GA with wonders, which implies non certainty. And I almost think I recall it happening. But that could just as easily have been due to believing the manual about civ traits and wonder traits. Hey, everyone was young and impresiionable once!
You both answered to say wonders give the GA for sure. I thought there was a chance they wouldn't. I'd be happy to be wrong, is it documented somewhere? Finding stuff with no search engine is a pain.
pd
I'll edit that post directly.
*hangs head in shame*
I thought that I read once that there was a "chance' of a GA with wonders, which implies non certainty. And I almost think I recall it happening. But that could just as easily have been due to believing the manual about civ traits and wonder traits. Hey, everyone was young and impresiionable once!
As I understand it, in fact just read this here within the last week, every time a wonder is completed there is a check made to see if any of the wonders match the GA traits, and if it is, it kicks off the GA.
That being said, I'm almost sure I've had wonders kick of a GA in one game, and not kick it off in another. Of course, my game to game detail memory isn't hot, I don't remember things like that.
Edit: That is to say, the same wonders made by the same civs across two games, and sometimes getting it, sometimes not. I could be incorrect in this, tho.
That being said, I'm almost sure I've had wonders kick of a GA in one game, and not kick it off in another. Of course, my game to game detail memory isn't hot, I don't remember things like that.
Edit: That is to say, the same wonders made by the same civs across two games, and sometimes getting it, sometimes not. I could be incorrect in this, tho.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
So, If I build wonder that has both my traits I can get a GA with only one wonder?
ivory
What 's the big picture?
Yes.
They will, for sure. Unless you 've already had your GA. You can only have one in the whole game.
A thread in the Strategy Forum called Begin your Golden age when you want contains a link to Sirian's Great Library where the pain of unlisted attributes is described. For example, according the Civilopedia the Colossus is expansionistic and religious, but it is also commercial. Beware of that if you don't want your GA too early.
Another funny complication may occur when you have captured a city with wonders. Say you are scientific and religious, and you suddenly own a scientific Wonder and religious Wonder. Then you build a industrious and militaristic Wonder, not expecting anything special from it. Then the program does the usual checks whenever a wonder is completed, it notices your deck of Wonders match the GA requirements and there your Golden Age shoots off.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Is this very easy to solve mistake in civiopedia still there?
anarres
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hehe, I never though so many experianced players would not know about triggering GA's.
Just for everyone's sanity, you always get a GA if you build a wonder and you own wonders with the right traits.
Just for everyone's sanity, you always get a GA if you build a wonder and you own wonders with the right traits.
ivory
What 's the big picture?
edit: misread this question at first. There are many omissions and even some mistakes in the Civilopedia. It appears its writers and the game's programmers do not always work on the same version.
if I read this once more on this page I am going to develop doubts.
Yes, I think it's the manual that threw up the myth about there being a 'chance' of a GA with a wonder. I think it says something like 'There is a chance of a GA when you build a wonder with one of your traits'.
The reality is, the chance is 1 if you have a wonder matching your other trait, and 0 if you don't. And as already explained, the just built wonder doesn't always have to match any of your traits.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Originally posted by ivory
Sorry, could you rephrase your question please. I 'm not sure what you want (or ask it in Dutch).
anarres, if I read this once more on this page I am going to develop doubts.
The mistake in civilopedia about the Colossus wonder having only 2 'traits' iso 3. Easy to solve by Firaxis!
ivory
What 's the big picture?
This is copied straight from Civilopedia.txt:
For example if the Egyptians (industrious and religious) build the Pyramids (which is both a feat of construction
and a place of worship), Egypt's Golden Age could begin. Or if the Babylonians (scientific and religious) build the
Great Library (scientific) and the Oracle (religious) Babylon's Golden Age could begin.
The problem lies perhaps in the use of the word "could". But to say "will" would be too strong. If you 've already had you GA, nothing will happen.
For example if the Egyptians (industrious and religious) build the Pyramids (which is both a feat of construction
and a place of worship), Egypt's Golden Age could begin. Or if the Babylonians (scientific and religious) build the
Great Library (scientific) and the Oracle (religious) Babylon's Golden Age could begin.
The problem lies perhaps in the use of the word "could". But to say "will" would be too strong. If you 've already had you GA, nothing will happen.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
The manual is very useful!
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