Nightfang Mafia (Game Concluded)

[JohannaK]

I'm the Warrior. I stay outside someone's door at night to make sure nobodt gets to them.

I feel it is a bit silly to withhold information at this point. We know so very little still and thr vampires know more than enough.

 

[JohannaK]

That said I understand that people wont be as open and feel like my position is the more dangerous one.

 

[Yakostovian]

I don't think I have anything to share that I haven't already.

 

[topsecret]

I have been overwhelmed with homework. Please excuse the lack of posting. I shall try to do better.

I see the case against Double A, but I also realize it is possible he is a vig. I will try to take some time and analyze everyone else. If we just have a giant bandwagon, it will not help at all. Not saying another case is stronger, but let's look at what's going on...

 

[Takhisis]

I do think there is merit to the idea that the vampires have cult mechanics. It is very possible also that AA is one of the vampires; he wasnt doing the killing tonight but rather some other ability he has.

On the other hand, if he had another ability, he could have claimed it and say someone else targeted Murska, too. So I am inclined to believe that he is a vig.

Yes… this and, as I said in our QT, Arakhor's insistence in pointing out midday as a special phase, give him some credence.

unvote: Double A

Ok, there are several mechanical things to consider.
Yak redirecting Triple A again could be expected. If he's mafia, he probably wouldn't be the one personally killing today.
But
Rakkoon only makes sense as mafia kill if there was any sensitive info shared in the private chat. That should be discussed in-house.
Rakkoon was also suspected for his use of Fangs, which could make the real big shoot him.
Another interesting information is that Johanna could be protected. We got a protective role iny house and it was supposed to protect me.

Cult mechanics would fit well with the theme, but not really with all the other roles. They could break the game.
Vig is a common role but not super likely in a small setup with many other roles. Again, it makes the game less predictable and possibly swingy.

It's still possible they exist.

...I started writing this like an hour ago and kinda forgot what I wanted to say. I don't trust tiple, but I see one more possible (possibly turned wolf in the house). So, if there's a real big they probably should counter claim?

Yeah, there's definitely some things to discuss in our private chats.

A cult would definitely be curtailed. Having a vigilante with an unlimited number of shots (and immune to conversion?) would compensate for a cult.

Interesting idea: what if the cult cannot convert everyone, so a failed conversion results in a death? That'd definitely fit in with a vampire-themed game.

Yako redirected me to Murska n1. I had targeted Murska d1 and n1 because his excuse vote was on me for not having an excuse vote.

Yako redirected me to Joan n2. I had targetted Pzelda d2 and n2 because I originally got a scum read on him, but upon reflection, I'm just bad at mafia.

This obviously sounds like a really bad lie. Have you considered I could make a better one if I tried?

It is Triple A we are talking about.

I'm sorry for sleeping during the night. I will endeavour to do better in the future.

Actually, this is one of AA's better claims to not being a vampire.

Also, he could always spend time playing video games.

We haven't shared our names either. Rakoon was pretty quiet in our qt but posted a bit more than me. He showed concern with rooting out our "spy" (his word).

We in our QT are also concerned with finding out whether we have a spy or not, and, in the likely case there is one, who it is.

I'm the Warrior. I stay outside someone's door at night to make sure nobodt gets to them.

I feel it is a bit silly to withhold information at this point. We know so very little still and thr vampires know more than enough.

Over half the remaining playerbase must know it, but I'm the barbarian.

 

[Takhisis]

While I was gathering those posts and doing some typing I thought I'd vote: topsecret, and that was because of his suspicious and conspicuous absence. Now that he's caught up he's made a post where he's bothered to not discuss anything of matter and not say anything about his role. He agrees yet disagrees with the case on Triple A, a claimed vig, fails to discuss the possibility that there is a cult rather than a mafia, utters the platitude about bandwaggons not helping anybody, and yet he does not have an alternative case… so between you and the (credibly?) claimed vig, I choose you, topsecretmon.

 

[topsecret]

If it weren't for the fact that AA has been strangely quiet, I would say we might have jumped to conclusions concerning his possible undead status, and it was merely a coincidence that murska died when I redirected him.

But his silence speaks volumes.

Vote: doubleA

That quiet isn't any better in private. Vote: Double A.

Ehh, just because someone is quiet doesn't make them guilty. I am not saying there is no reason to vote for him - there is - but don't blame it on non-posting (especially since there was only a three-hour time period then.)
Quite honestly, just according to posting habits for today, I would be a better vote than Double AA, except I am not guilty.

AA is a vig. AA didn't say anything in the hopes of getting another kill in before getting ganked by mafia but got redirected onto Joan. AA can't kill someone without spending a day action to prepare a kill. Hilariously, AA prepared to kill Murska on D1, so it actually went through.

So, basically, if you are telling the truth, the vampires are almost certain to kill you, and if you are lying, you are a vampire. Doesn't look good for you either way.

Ok, I think Johanna just locked the game with her claim.

Does this mean you think JohannaK is guilty? I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Now, to answer my critic(s):

While I was gathering those posts and doing some typing I thought I'd vote: topsecret, and that was because of his suspicious and conspicuous absence. Now that he's caught up he's made a post where he's bothered to not discuss anything of matter and not say anything about his role. He agrees yet disagrees with the case on Triple A, a claimed vig, fails to discuss the possibility that there is a cult rather than a mafia, utters the platitude about bandwaggons not helping anybody, and yet he does not have an alternative case… so between you and the (credibly?) claimed vig, I choose you, topsecretmon.

*clears throat and prepares to speak*

Spoiler response :

that was because of his suspicious and conspicuous absence.

Homework. It's a horrible excuse, but at least it's the truth. If you succeed in your misguided lynch attempt, I will remind you that I was telling the truth.

Now that he's caught up he's made a post where he's bothered to not discuss anything of matter and not say anything about his role.

Because I have been thinking through what I wanted to say, and I have to not only read but think about all the posts.

As for my role, I am a Rogue. I can disappear at will, under certain conditions, and actions used against me will not harm me. I don't know how to prove that to you, but there it is.

He agrees yet disagrees with the case on Triple A, a claimed vig,

Nope. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed. I said, "I see the case against Double A, but I also realize it is possible he is a vig." That's not agreement or disagreement.

To be more abundantly clear, he is in my house and I would rather not have another house member die, but I know that he looks really guilty and if he is, I prefer he dies. So I see (that is, I understand and comprehend the reasoning behind) the case against him, yet I also realize it is possible that he is telling the truth.

fails to discuss the possibility that there is a cult rather than a mafia.

OK. So? I read the OP and saw Arakhor's post about it. I was shocked you guys weren't paying attention to it earlier. In any case, anyone paying half attention realizes that there could be a cult, and saying, "THERE MIGHT BE A CULT!" will not help us in any way, shape, or form.

Just to make you feel better... "THERE MIGHT BE A CULT! IT MIGHT HURT PEOPLE! I HOPE I DON'T GET ZAPPED BY THE POSSIBLE CULT. CULTS MIGHT KILL!"

Better?

utters the platitude about bandwaggons not helping anybody

Well, correct platitudes are always helpful. And I was correct, so...

yet he does not have an alternative case

Actually, you hadn't given me time to collect and post my thoughts yet.

Also, I shall remind you that every time you have condemned my behavior as scummy this year, I have been innocent.

As to my thoughts, let's look at the Day Two tally:

Day Two

Final Vote Tally
Choxorn (6): Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon, Topsecret
DoubleA (3): JohannaK, Beroli, Takhisis
Beroli (1): DoubleA

Not voting (1): Choxorn

Someone here is still receiving the double vote - specifically, if it is not a bestowed power, then it is most definitely pzelda.

Not voting: Pzelda, Topsecret, DoubleA, JohannaK

Johanna did not vote for Choxorn and has not voted for Double A this phase, despite voting for Double A last time.

I find it rather interesting that Double A has not yet voted.

Double A is in my house, and if the theory that there is one vampire per house holds true, either he or Avatar is a vamp. Let us consider this further...

I honestly don't know who to vote for. I guess I will vote:JohannaK based off voting patterns and just my gut feeling.

 

[Yakostovian]

Ehh, just because someone is quiet doesn't make them guilty. I am not saying there is no reason to vote for him - there is - but don't blame it on non-posting (especially since there was only a three-hour time period then.)
Quite honestly, just according to posting habits for today, I would be a better vote than Double AA, except I am not guilty.

Well, his silence over the prior day (from reveal until a few hours into the current day) was telling to me.

Now that he's mounted something of a defense, I am rethinking my vote, but leaving it there for the moment.

 

[JohannaK]

Man complains about bandwagons, then says it is suspicious not to have been on a bandwagon but voting for another strong suspect. Then finds suspicious that someone found that suspect somewhat convincing.

That's a stretch. I didnt even have to know you were voting for me to decide my vote: topsecret.

 

[pzelda]

Based on what was said, there wasn't a save at night. This means that at least one of Johanna and AAA is lying. AAA probably isn't with Beroli, Yak or Tak. His only possible partners are Top and Johanna.
Johanna based on her vote is more likely with Double than Top. And probably could be on team with Beroli.
Avatar's just town based on activity.
So, I see Johanna/Double as the most likely pack without Cult mechanics.
With them it could be Top and Double or Johanna and Beroli.
I think that killing Double might lock us the game. If he flips w, he only has two possible partners.
If he flips v, Johanna's locked w.
I guess Johanna/Beroli doesn't really make sense when it comes to killing Rakkoon.

Vote: DoubleA

 

[JohannaK]

see, the weird thing is that AA knew he had been redirected to me before Yako said it, and Yako confirmed it. So I really don't see what your thought process is there or why I should be lying.

 

[Arakhor]

Ten hours to go until the lynch.

Current tally
DoubleA: Beroli, Yakostovian,. AvatarKhepri, Pzelda
Topsecret: Takhisis, JohannaK
JohannaK: Topsecret

Not voting: DoubleA

 

[JohannaK]

Another alternative is that Yako and AA are buddies and bussed chox yesterday to establish Yako as The Confirmed Townie. We have been assuming that there was a vampire in each house but if so why wasn't I attacked at all? And why would Yako play so strongly against AA if they were buddies? It doesn't make much sense to me, that. I do think they're both town because honestly the alternative scenarios don't work for me.

 

[Beroli]

Maybe you weren't attacked because the vampires found rakkoon, whether their information on them came from something they said in their QT or from a devil's scry or something similar, a higher-priority target than you. I'm not seeing the support for your unstated premise that you were the only conceivable target.

 

[Double A]

I don't know why they killed Rakkoon. Maybe it's cause he urged us to find our vamp? If Avatar isn't a vamp I probably would've killed him over Rakkoon.

It is Triple A we are talking about.

Yeah, he should know better than to trust a majority of the town to accept the truth. Rip in peace Tarkin.

 

[Takhisis]

All right, I'll have to devote one post to topsecret's textwall (hint: I'm not moving my vote off him) and another one to the rest.

 

[Arakhor]

There's just one hour left before dusk.

 

[Takhisis]

Ehh, just because someone is quiet doesn't make them guilty. I am not saying there is no reason to vote for him - there is - but don't blame it on non-posting (especially since there was only a three-hour time period then.)
Quite honestly, just according to posting habits for today, I would be a better vote than Double AA, except I am not guilty.

Really? Explain to me why you'd rather have our claimed vigilante or our claimed doctor (neither of whom is facing a counterclaim) lynched rather than your own seemingly devoid of abilities self?

So, basically, if you are telling the truth, the vampires are almost certain to kill you, and if you are lying, you are a vampire. Doesn't look good for you either way.

He could get just the one last kill in.

Does this mean you think JohannaK is guilty? I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Here you try to esablish some half-arsed ‘motive’ for voting JK.

Now, to answer my critic(s):

While I was gathering those posts and doing some typing I thought I'd vote: topsecret, and that was because of his suspicious and conspicuous absence. Now that he's caught up he's made a post where he's bothered to not discuss anything of matter and not say anything about his role. He agrees yet disagrees with the case on Triple A, a claimed vig, fails to discuss the possibility that there is a cult rather than a mafia, utters the platitude about bandwaggons not helping anybody, and yet he does not have an alternative case… so between you and the (credibly?) claimed vig, I choose you, topsecretmon.

*clears throat and prepares to speak*

Spoiler response :

(1)
Homework. It's a horrible excuse, but at least it's the truth. If you succeed in your misguided lynch attempt, I will remind you that I was telling the truth.
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(2) Because I have been thinking through what I wanted to say, and I have to not only read but think about all the posts.

As for my role, I am a Rogue. I can disappear at will, under certain conditions, and actions used against me will not harm me. I don't know how to prove that to you, but there it is.
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(3)
Nope. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed. I said, "I see the case against Double A, but I also realize it is possible he is a vig." That's not agreement or disagreement.

To be more abundantly clear, he is in my house and I would rather not have another house member die, but I know that he looks really guilty and if he is, I prefer he dies. So I see (that is, I understand and comprehend the reasoning behind) the case against him, yet I also realize it is possible that he is telling the truth.
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(4)
OK. So? I read the OP and saw Arakhor's post about it. I was shocked you guys weren't paying attention to it earlier. In any case, anyone paying half attention realizes that there could be a cult, and saying, "THERE MIGHT BE A CULT!" will not help us in any way, shape, or form.

Just to make you feel better... "THERE MIGHT BE A CULT! IT MIGHT HURT PEOPLE! I HOPE I DON'T GET ZAPPED BY THE POSSIBLE CULT. CULTS MIGHT KILL!"

Better?
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(5)
Well, correct platitudes are always helpful. And I was correct, so...
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(6)
Actually, you hadn't given me time to collect and post my thoughts yet.

Also, I shall remind you that every time you have condemned my behavior as scummy this year, I have been innocent.

(I added in the plus signs to separate your original paragraphs, and I've numbered them)

1) Feel free to remind me of that.
2) That's not how I play mafia… well, maybe.
Why didn't you claim until you suddenly had a scary one vote on you?
Why is it, sooo suspiciously, a claim that justifies why no potential trackers could ever find you… say, if you were ever tracked to Rakkoon's place last night?
3) You neither agree nor disagree with it. So you vote for JK, as you say later, ‘on gut’. Be that as it may.
4) You were shocked, shocked you say. It is the kind of thing that a wary mind would have bothered to mention earlier, but, if said wary mind were in a cult, would definitely think ‘unimportant’.
5) And you're helping with the bandwaggon…?
6) so, what happens when you collect your thoughts is… oh, the following.

As to my thoughts, let's look at the Day Two tally:

Day Two

Final Vote Tally
Choxorn (6): Yakostovian, AvatarKhepri, Pzelda, Rakkoon, Topsecret
DoubleA (3): JohannaK, Beroli, Takhisis
Beroli (1): DoubleA

Not voting (1): Choxorn

Someone here is still receiving the double vote - specifically, if it is not a bestowed power, then it is most definitely pzelda.

Not voting: Pzelda, Topsecret, DoubleA, JohannaK

Johanna did not vote for Choxorn and has not voted for Double A this phase, despite voting for Double A last time.

I find it rather interesting that Double A has not yet voted.

Double A is in my house, and if the theory that there is one vampire per house holds true, either he or Avatar is a vamp. Let us consider this further...

I honestly don't know who to vote for. I guess I will vote:JohannaK based off voting patterns and just my gut feeling.

OK, it's not completely gut and you're trying to solve the game somehow, but I'll still point out that I'd definitely have you die rather than AAA.

You've also raised an interesting point. Where is AvatarKhepri? After voting for the claimed vigilante, who our only proven(-ish) townie states cannot be last night's killer, Khepri's vanished. And is third on the bandwaggon, too.

unvote; vote: AvatarKhepri

 

[Takhisis]

Well, his silence over the prior day (from reveal until a few hours into the current day) was telling to me.

Now that he's mounted something of a defense, I am rethinking my vote, but leaving it there for the moment.

@Yakostovian reconsider voting topsecret or AvatarKhepri, we have half an hour so if we change that waggon we might get it done. I'll vote for either.

Man complains about bandwagons, then says it is suspicious not to have been on a bandwagon but voting for another strong suspect. Then finds suspicious that someone found that suspect somewhat convincing.

That's a stretch. I didnt even have to know you were voting for me to decide my vote: topsecret.

I urge you to change your vote to Khepri.

Based on what was said, there wasn't a save at night. This means that at least one of Johanna and AAA is lying. AAA probably isn't with Beroli, Yak or Tak. His only possible partners are Top and Johanna.
Johanna based on her vote is more likely with Double than Top. And probably could be on team with Beroli.
Avatar's just town based on activity.
So, I see Johanna/Double as the most likely pack without Cult mechanics.
With them it could be Top and Double or Johanna and Beroli.
I think that killing Double might lock us the game. If he flips w, he only has two possible partners.
If he flips v, Johanna's locked w.
I guess Johanna/Beroli doesn't really make sense when it comes to killing Rakkoon.

Vote: DoubleA

Really… AvatarKhepri has made only these two posts.

That quiet isn't any better in private. Vote: Double A.

This leaves open the question if who killed Rakkoon...and why Double A's claimed target isn't dead. But also: if Double A is telling the truth then wolves didn't kill anybody N1? Maybe choxorn had the kill...or maybe one of the other vamps doesn't kill, but rather converts.

And also I think that both Triple A and JK being innocents is a possibility we should look at. Unless you want to explain how AAA being town locks JK into an anti-town role (mafia or cult, whichever).

 

[JohannaK]

Maybe you weren't attacked because the vampires found rakkoon, whether their information on them came from something they said in their QT or from a devil's scry or something similar, a higher-priority target than you. I'm not seeing the support for your unstated premise that you were the only conceivable target.

It is faor, I didnt want to imply I would be the only conceivable target, but a doctor type role usually is pretty darned high priority, alongside scanners and vigs.