Nightmare Neighbors

ironfang

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If you have played CivIII, you should probably already know where this is going. Nightmare Neighbors. Those Civs who make it IMPOSSIBLE to live without having a large military, who build cities all throughout your kingdom whenever they get a chance, wont trade you for anything less than everything you have, and love to cause war ALL the time.

In my experience, Persia is the biggest nightmare neighbor, followed by the Egyptians, Aztecs, and finally the Zulus. Havent had major problems with other civs yet.


Who are your nightmare neighbors?

ironfang
 
I have not had trouble with others. I think some strategies (such as mine) need to be tempered by the fact there are differences in AI civ aggression. However, I have one word of advice: CULTURE.
 
the Zulu hate me, they have since civ2...
also the french...

aztecs are starting to get on my nerves
but no other real bad ones yet
 
So far, in the past couple of games I've played, I've run into Hiawatha quickly and felt the wrath of his... forgetfulness.

Most of the time, the AI has the guts to at least stick with what it wants to get across... unfortunately, Hiawatha is perfectly content to accede to a treaty, march into my territory, remove his units, declare war again, and then trade me tech for tech+20 gold (within a span of 200 or so years). What a fruitcake. :sniper: :confused:
 
i agree, ironfang. when i first read about the persians i thot they sounded like a good, sleeper civ. one that u would ignore and it come back to bite ya. so i chose to play as them. figured it'd be better to have them on *my* side. plus, my wife likes their cats.

as the persians, i only have one bad neighbor. the french. and not only because i'm downwind. they go after culture, taking over other civs cities that way, and they're always good for a few wonders. they're pretty smart too. i wouldn't give em right of pass, so they got it from the zulu's and marched into english territory and started wrecking havok there.

but, i'm still trying to stay on joan's good side ya know. hoping that i can get her past the "gracious" and maybe get some "diplomatic" special time with her. too bad there's no choice in the diplomat window that says "i'll show you mine...". and mmmmmm that catherine of russia. mmmm mmm mmm. i'd crawl naked over broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie-talkie.

dss
 
Yeah, those Zulus. You can always count on them to attack at some point. Though even they're smart enough to back off when you have them out-gunned.

After an initial war they started, they grabbed a city and I got it back plus one of his before I sued for peace. After that I built up an army of Immortals. I tried hard to get them to start a war by constantly trespassing and demanding tribute, but they wouldn't budge.

I soon found out why he never took my bait when I had to declare war myself. I took out his whole civ in about 10 turns. Shows that even the most militiristic and aggressive Civs know when they're beat and will do everything to avoid confrontation.

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Originally posted by deadseasquirrel
as the persians, i only have one bad neighbor. the french. and not only because i'm downwind.

Melchett: "We can't stand for rank insubordination! The French High Command upper echelon has had some terrible uprisings from the bottom!"

Blackadder: "Indeed sir, but I think that was traced to a shipment of garlic eclairs..."

- Blackadder Goes Fourth
:D
 
One more vote for Shaka. The Zulu are BASTARDS! I think I've met them 3 different times now and each time they'll shove their spear up your pooper if you turn your eyes away for even a second. And then it happened again last night! Although now I have me a chance to try out them fancy war elephants.

2nd place - Germans.
3rd place - Russians.
Honorable Mention - The Aztec
 
My current, "buddies!"...
France thinks it is hard but Joan is a bit crap at war!
Russia threatens you like your ganny and is not scary!
America in the game acts just plain silly! Abe, is too soft!

What a bunch! I plan to destroy em all!:lol:
 
My advice is to trust no one but those weaker than you. The others, if nearby, need to have a close eye kept on. Always ensure you have a sizeable defense along the borders in fortresses and the fronteir cities. As you establish a solid defensive front, go for culture with your cities in the rear, keeping an eye on the surrounding coast (if any) for wandering foreign ships.

If your neighbours are more interested in their military and your conquest, then they'll neglect culture and leave themselves open for cultural assimilation. So long as you have a strong defense (comprised of the strongest defensive units and some offensive (artillery never hurts)) than you should be able to sit tight, quickly develop your culture and technology, get fat and rich off good trade negotiations (if you have extra luxuries and resources) and prepare for whatever victory it is you have in sight. But try to make sure of one thing: Never let other Civs get a lot more land than you. If expansion means conquest, you may have to go for it, unless you feel comfortable enough with a far smaller, compact Civ. I know I rarely do. Civs with a lot of decent land than you (not so much that a lot of their cities are corrupt) can develop technologies, units, luxuries and resources (therefore money) far more rapidly. This means larger armies, more influential cultures, a bigger economy, higher tech and the opportunity to wipe you off the map.

So if you're near the Russians, Persians, Zulus, Aztecs, Egyptians, French, English or Germans, keep your eyes peeled, or get your a$s pealed.

-Maj
 
Hate the Iroquois... must kill the Iroquois. They just don't understand the simple order, "Bugger off!"

The Zulus are obnoxious, but too stupid to be a threat. I'm at about 600AD and my Zulu neighbor is attacking me with archers because he hasn't bothered to develop the iron in his territory.
 
The only real problem neighbors I have ever had have been the expansionist ones.

Zulu and Chinese especially bad, constantly trespassing, refusing to negotiate, usually declaring war when demanded to leave territory, and demanding unreasonable compensation for peace in a total stalemate war.

Americans and Russians can at least be counted upon to negotiate and honor their negotiations.

Aztecs and Germans usually only had trouble when I've delcared war on them...as part of a mutual protection pact.

It also seems to me that the AI's may be programmed to recognize ancient real world rivalries....germans and french have gone at it in every game I've been in...as have the english and the french. And I've only had real trouble from the chinese when i've played the Indians.
 
I don't like the germans... ahh they drive me crazy!!!! And one tip, don't ever give any stragetic resources away, even to a ally unless u know that u can beat them up if they ever declared war on you. The iroqouis are graciuos towards and my main source of money but I do not trust them for one moment, I will attack them soon because the germans and the irqoius teamed on me in the early perioid of the game, even though I'm acting nice right now because they are my main source of income and tech while I'm fighting the aztecs.
 
After my last game I'm ready to vote for Persia.

From the first time I met them they were like obsessed with destroing me in every possible way. Don't know if the fact that I was playing American had something to do with that :rolleyes:
 
ARE you sure it isn't Ghandi!

Thunderfall...you've got civ3 and felt (like me) that in CIV & CIV2 that Ghandi was the most untrustworthy and dangerous opponent, tell me that he hasn't changed his ways!

:king:
 
So I was playing a large game, at chieftan level. Lots of countries. Land resources started to get tight and I was forced to surround a greek level 3 City with 3 of my own plus my cultural borders. What did the greeks do? he filled the area around his city with troops. No matter how high my culture was in the area, the city wouldn't turn. I finally had to decimate it, and raze. which was a good thing since it was hogging my resources. :)

:king:

Runestar
 
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