No choice but to be a communist!!!

[FredLC]

No kidding.

In my last game, as i was playing with the French civ, I managed to tottaly control the largest of the two contnents in our small sized world.

When we were at about 1970, i finished building my army of 40 tanks, 40 infantries, 20 bombers and 20 artilleries to attack the 15 greek cities, that was lacking 3 techs to get the motorized transportation.

As i didn't want to give up my democracy, i tried virtually EVERYTHING to make them declare war on me. I trespassed their borders each turn. I demanded tributes, techs, cities and unfair trades. I created trade embargos with the survivers of defeated civs.

I even made bloody espionage missions EACH TURN. Propaganda, tech steal, expose mole, troop positions, EVERYTHING! I even manage to be sucessful in some of them, after tring so much for so long.

NOTHING worked. No matter what I tried, not only they didn't give up to any of my demands, they also wouldn't declare war on me. Daaaarghhhhhhhhhh!

If they were so scared that they didn't dare to fight, wouldn't it at least be reasonable that they should give me what i demanded? After all, I was the superpower and, in that game, also a warmonger, having already wiped out the chinese and the babylons.

After 30 turns, i gave up, switched to communis and declared war myself. Of course, i wiped them out in a few turns. But now it's about 2010, and altough i have the tech lead, i have the aztecs to deal with, and they look like they are gonna be much more of a challenge. I am not sure if i'll be able to finish them before the time limit.

Anyway, anybody happens to know any other way to lead a civ to declare war? I really can't imagine anything i could have forgotten.

regards

 

[JoseM]

what has the title to do with declarinG war on an enemy? u can declare war on an enemy being a democracy, if u have temples, catedrals, coliseums and 8 luxuries and a big gold income u can managed to resist a 50 years war with democracy. I have done that before.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by JoseM
what has the title to do with declarinf war on an enemy? u can declare war on an enemy being a democracy, if u have temples, catedrals, coliseums and 8 luxuries and a big gold income u can managed to resist a 50 years war with democracy. I have done that before.

I'll second that. There's no reason you can't stay in a democracy and fight a quick war. The key is to always minimize the number of units you leave in enemy territory at the end of each turn. Just don't get dragged into a long war of attrition. Then you will have to change to Communism.

As for getting other leaders to declare war on you, I know what you mean. For most of the game, they'll attack for no reason, and then when you want to fight there's no way to goad them into starting it. I have never successfully harassed an enemy leader enough that they declared war on me.

 

[FredLC]

Yeah, well, good points. I think that i tried to think ahead and it didn't work well.

As i said, i have a much harder war to go on against the Aztecs, and i wanted to finish the Greeks without messing my tanks production.

If i had to fight as a democracy, i didn't want to acumulate the war weariness of those both wars. Also, I crushed them so fast because i spent so many turns teasing them, what gave me time to rewinforce even more. If i had to fight with the original force, i'm sure it would have taken a larger time.

I apologize for the imprecision, but the question remains.

Is there anything else i could have done to decieve them into declaring war on me?

regards .

 

[History_Buff]

Demand all thier cities until they are furious, then continually bribe cities, or try to place a spy a million times in one turn. I swear they will declare war in a few turns.

 

[FredLC]

That's exactly what i tried, except not all their cities at once.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

That's what I've found too. Nothing reasonable works to make them declare war, and nothing unreasonable that I've been able to try has worked either.

Just something I thought I might add though: You mentioned that you didn't want to carry war weariness from one war to the next. That's not the way it works. The computer keeps track of war weariness from each war seperately. So if you had gotten some war weariness fighting the Greeks, it would have gone away as soon as you finished the war.

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by fredlc


As i didn't want to give up my democracy, i tried virtually EVERYTHING to make them declare war on me.

Peace treaties last only twenty turns, at which point they may be cancelled without dishonor by either party. You can cancel the peace treaty by going to the diplomacy screen and clicking 'active' at the bottom of the screen.

It is not a dishonor to war, but only to break your word. Declare war before attacking.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Zachriel
Peace treaties last only twenty turns, at which point they may be cancelled without dishonor by either party. You can cancel the peace treaty by going to the diplomacy screen and clicking 'active' at the bottom of the screen.

Wow! I did not know that! I mean, I knew you could cancel them that way, but I didn't know it saved your reputation!

This is why I love civfanatics!

 

[JoseM]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk


Wow! I did not know that! I mean, I knew you could cancel them that way, but I didn't know it saved your reputation!

This is why I love civfanatics!

LOL I DIDNT KNEW THAT EITHER

 

[Zachriel]

You'll still suffer war weariness, so keep your wars short if you are a democracy. Also, try republic. It has many of the attributes of democracy, but war weariness is easier to control.

 

[Tassadar]

i declare war under democraty when a.i. is furious and when he pass into my culture border, i contact him, sometime he may insult you, saying you are a barabarian civ. you now hav the choice to reply, i have enough of your insult and you can declare war, someting like that. sorry for my eng. i was able to destroy that civilisation under democraty and most of my city were in we love the president day. so never insult me

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

What`s the problem here? You have a massive army, well just go in and when he say leave declare war, mop him up and be done with it. if you`re fast you can destroy him before war wariness kicks in at all.....

 

[BridgeBoy]

Originally posted by Zachriel


Peace treaties last only twenty turns, at which point they may be cancelled without dishonor by either party. You can cancel the peace treaty by going to the diplomacy screen and clicking 'active' at the bottom of the screen.

It is not a dishonor to war, but only to break your word. Declare war before attacking.

I don't think going to the 'Active' section and renegotiating (cancelling) peace is any different than just Declaring War by choosing 'I've had enough of your insolence, prepare for war option'. I think the computer treats them the same...they both give you another pop-up window to confirm your choice of declaring war or 'No, we should respect our neighbors'.
Both ways yields an 'Honorable' war without a reputation hit...as long as your troops are not on their land (as I've been told).

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by BridgeBoy


I don't think going to the 'Active' section and renegotiating (cancelling) peace is any different than just Declaring War by choosing 'I've had enough of your insolence, prepare for war option'. I think the computer treats them the same...they both give you another pop-up window to confirm your choice of declaring war or 'No, we should respect our neighbors'.
Both ways yields an 'Honorable' war without a reputation hit...as long as your troops are not on their land (as I've been told).

That is correct, unless the peace treaty has not expired. The way to know that is to visit the diplomacy screen first. Or count to 20.

 

[Tassadar]

You are right Bridgboy, i always manage to keep my fleet of battleship + carrier-bomber out of there cultural border, i keep only about 10 thank into there teritory ready to raze 1-2 city, rinse and reapeat, and my cities got cathedral, coliseum, sistine chapel and of course some luxuries. But in a game i did all the reasearch and i was full of money, so for fun i went communism( built police station before) and now you can do what you want.

 

[BridgeBoy]

One question I have is this:
If you declare war while not in their territory, then invade their territory in the same turn...do you get a reputaion hit?
Or do you have to wait a turn after you declare war before you enter onto their land? When you wait a turn after you declare war they usually end up attacking you on your land on their turn before you get a chance to invade them.

 

[Zachriel]

Originally posted by BridgeBoy
One question I have is this:
If you declare war while not in their territory, then invade their territory in the same turn...do you get a reputaion hit?
Or do you have to wait a turn after you declare war before you enter onto their land? When you wait a turn after you declare war they usually end up attacking you on your land on their turn before you get a chance to invade them.

I usually invade the same turn, and I never get the "you are a scumbag" message. So I believe as long as you wait 20 turns, you are ok.

 

[chiefpaco]

Originally posted by BridgeBoy
One question I have is this:
If you declare war while not in their territory, then invade their territory in the same turn...do you get a reputaion hit?

No. You can also declare war to avoid the reputation hit & attack the same turn providing none of your units were inside the opponents territory at the point you declared. You don't have to wait a turn.