no free will in heaven?

[King Flevance]

Correct me if I understood the Christian concept of Heaven wrongly but does it mean:

1) No more food and drink because you'll never feel hunger and thirst anymore?
2) No need for sleep and the balancing actions of dreams because you'll have infinite energy?
3) No more sex or anything else pleasurable because the ecstasy of being with God is already overflowing your mind's pleasure center?
4) All you get to do for all eternity is worship and sing praises and nothing else?

Sounds like an extended drug hit, only it never ends.

I am a creative person by nature. I think this would be an eternity to create. Aid in the infrastructure of society. Artwork. I am not musically inclined so that would be for other people. Writings. Also, I believe recreation to be of sorts like enjoying all that was created along with beaches, inventing of games and playing them. There is alot more to life than eating, sleeping, and sex.

 

[Azkonus]

Also, I believe recreation to be of sorts like enjoying all that was created along with beaches, inventing of games and playing them. There is alot more to life than eating, sleeping, and sex.

Bold by me.


When you enjoy something, you feel it.


You pray beacuse it makes you fell good, after you pray you take a breath, you feel the clean air filling your lungs which gives you pleasure and you thank god you are feeling good.

No feel=no life, no feel=no more games, no feel=no beaches...

Just for a second think you can not feel anything not even your heartbeat. Now that would be bad. Now that would be hell in earth.

 

[King Flevance]

Not even sure what that post means Azkonus.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Remember, again, that any human descriptions of heaven are incomplete or conjectures. I am sure that no one who makes it there will have any reason to complain, no matter what it is like.

 

[Dann]

Hmm... I still don't get it. But that's because I can't think outside the box of this mortal plane of existence.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an atheist. However I'm not certain we (mankind) has truly grasped yet the will of whatever higher beings there exist (or do not).

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Hmm... I still don't get it. But that's because I can't think outside the box of this mortal plane of existence.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not an atheist. However I'm not certain we (mankind) has truly grasped yet the will of whatever higher beings there exist (or do not).

I don't really "get" it, either, I just know that I don't.

You would need to be thinking waaaay outside the box for this.

 

[Vietcong]

he created me, yes. but is that a reasion for him to treat me as a slave?? cus it certanly seems like being a slave to me..

 

[Vietcong]

I am a creative person by nature. I think this would be an eternity to create. Aid in the infrastructure of society. Artwork. I am not musically inclined so that would be for other people. Writings. Also, I believe recreation to be of sorts like enjoying all that was created along with beaches, inventing of games and playing them. There is alot more to life than eating, sleeping, and sex.

yes thears alot more too life thean eating, sleeping and sex. but maby i WANT those things from time too time.

 

[Vietcong]

Bold by me.


When you enjoy something, you feel it.


You pray beacuse it makes you fell good, after you pray you take a breath, you feel the clean air filling your lungs which gives you pleasure and you thank god you are feeling good.

No feel=no life, no feel=no more games, no feel=no beaches...

Just for a second think you can not feel anything not even your heartbeat. Now that would be bad. Now that would be hell in earth.

praying dosent make the air any cleaner....
and its not all that pleasureble to me at all.. its realy boreing and infact gets me mad cus all i do is sit thear..

 

[shortguy]

It's like rubbing a lamp and a magic genie coming out and giving you $100,000 for nothing in exchange. Anyone on earth would accept that (or a similar scenario, and no one give me crap about inflation, or any other reason not to accept, it's an analogy). Does the fact that in just about any scenario you would accept it mean you have no free will?

Just like in heaven the ecstasy from worshipping God will be so great that there is no conceivable reason you wouldn't. That doesn't mean you don't have free will.

Why can't these conditions exist here on Earth? If God can make an environment in which people cannot be led to sin, then why didn't he do it here? Why have all the problems on Earth, which are good for neither of us?

 

[Sidhe]

Why does anyone believe there is any free will in Christianity at all? They kind of stitched themselves up when they rewrote the Yahewa as omniscient in defience of the OT. Since then any attempt to answer a question like yours is meaningless, and so far any attempt to advance the existance of free will in religion I have seen has been a sham or an illusion, at least Islam has the decency to say the question is unanswerable, it's about a millenia since the question of free will and omniscience was first asked, not one person has provided an answer(or at least one that equates with their preposterous rewriting of God ) Oh except the laws of physics, but it's hard to be sure they are in fact correct and besides who believes in science anyway? Despite what they may think it's all just wrong, and they are deluding themselves. So my answer is no there is no free will in heaven, but then there is none on Earth either the perks are just better in heaven so they say.

This is only an indication that if God does in fact exist people are so wildly incompetent at describing him that they have to resort to logical paradoxes or BS as it's known technically.

 

[Meleager]

This is only an indication that if God does in fact exist people are so wildly incompetent at describing him that they have to resort to logical paradoxes or BS as it's known technically.

That's exactly right.

 

[atreas]

It's true you must use metaphores to talk about things like free will, but it isn't obligatory to use bad metaphores.

Imagine a body and the cells inside it. Each cell is a separate entity, but it is moving towards a common cause (enabling the body to live). If we add free will into this picture, we get some (free-will) cells that can go their own way - technically this disease is called cancer.

Now imagine a body that already is suffering from cancer. Suppose that some cells feel it's their duty to enter the infected area and try to clean it up. Unfortunately, by entering the infected area they are cut-off from the guiding mechanism, so they must act on their own (i.e., when living in this area they have free will, since there isn't a reliable communication method). After doing their best (or worst) they exit the infected area. Still, when exiting they are examined: if they carry the infection, they aren't allowed to reenter the "clean" area, but stay in quarantine away from that.

Still, nobody knows if these metaphores are close to the truth - that's why each one uses his own faith and reasoning to choose the truth he will (or he will not) follow.

 

[King Flevance]

Since then any attempt to answer a question like yours is meaningless, and so far any attempt to advance the existance of free will in religion I have seen has been a sham or an illusion, at least Islam has the decency to say the question is unanswerable, it's about a millenia since the question of free will and omniscience was first asked, not one person has provided an answer(or at least one that equates with their preposterous rewriting of God ) Oh except the laws of physics, but it's hard to be sure they are in fact correct and besides who believes in science anyway? Despite what they may think it's all just wrong, and they are deluding themselves. So my answer is no there is no free will in heaven, but then there is none on Earth either the perks are just better in heaven so they say.

This is only an indication that if God does in fact exist people are so wildly incompetent at describing him that they have to resort to logical paradoxes or BS as it's known technically.

Actually, the official Christian answer is also "we don't know" as this is asking someone without recollection of heaven to describe it. Also to note the laws of physics concerning are BS as they only pertain to this deminsion. They obviously change when going to the spiritual world as no time exists there. Or maybe it does but with different properties.

I see this OP a question that was looked at as if it is even possible. But my answer to that is if it is possible for the other deminsion to have a differentaspect of time then it is possible to have free will. Although, free will is a bit of BS in its own right no matter if there is a heaven or hell at all. The very fact that more than one person exists makes free will impossible. As everyone has the right to stay solitary without having to be restricted to a solitude area of the earth. The existance of 2 people makes free will contradict itself as you are then upheld by the terms to grant the other person free will which imposes on your own and vice versa.

@Vietcong - My response was merely to demonstrate that these things are not neccessary to enjoy life. The bible teaches Christians that without a body of the flesh, we will not want these things as we do while we are in these bodies. What is hunger but the body running out of nurihment. What is sleep but the body needing a period of shutdown or recharge. What is lust but a reaction of something your eyes se and send a message to your brain which tells you loins to "get ready".

 

[Birdjaguar]

And my expierences led me to the conclusion of no god, partly because of the blatant stupidity of the religious people in my area, and because of no concrete evidence for any.

You have too few data points for a valid conclusion.