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Originally posted by Cyc
NO. This is not confusing Eyrei. Take some deep breaths. Stop confusing other people.

The VP is a Cabinet member. The reason Duck appointed you was because you were the first one and your politics agreed with his. He needed to fill the position and you were his best choice. The constitution states the VP position needs to be elected.


you don't need to hold a cabinet position to be VP. If you lose your cabinet position you can still be VP. You CAN hold two positions at a time, but it is not necessary for the VP.
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I agree the VP needs to be elected, but I think the VP is the runner up from the presidential election. If it was a separate position, Duck would have appointed someone else to the post that was not already a cabinet member. In addition, the Duke of Marlborough PMed me a couple weeks ago asking if I thought the VP should be a separate position. I told him it was fine with me, as I didn't want the extra title anyway and would gladly give it up. This leads me to believe that the VP is not already a separate post. If you like, I will forward the pm to you....
 
I conceed that point Disorganizer and I'm sure Eyrei is aware of it. Got to go. Busy day.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
btw: the domestic leader is the governor of istar, not the other way round.
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Good point!:goodjob: That is what I meant.
 
OOOOoooKkkk. forward me the pm. But i'm sure you realize the reason Duck stated two positions were allowed was so that he could give you the VP spot. It is a separate position and you had two. It's that easy.
 
Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
Unfortunately I cannot make the chat times as they are designated, so I will not be standing for election as trade leader.

I will nominate Shaitan for President.

Bill
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Fantastic! Thanks Bill but I must respectfully decline. The only time I can regularly make the chat turns is 4AM EST (9:00 GMT) and I fear it would be just me and Skilord there at that time. The alternative to 4AM would be to have a president that never runs the game. Thanks for the vote of confidence though, I appreciate it! :D
 
Originally posted by Cyc
OOOOoooKkkk. forward me the pm. But i'm sure you realize the reason Duck stated two positions were allowed was so that he could give you the VP spot. It is a separate position and you had two. It's that easy.
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This is another baseless accusation, Cyc, that Duck and I conspired to give me more power, and I am honestly quite sick of this. The first time I ever had contact with The Duck of Flanders was in the thread that started this game. There is no way he could have agreed with my politics, as he didn't know them, or any reason for him to want to set me up as an overpowered official. I do not understand why you keep harping on my having too much power, but it is simply not reasonable. Go check the cabinet votes, and try to find me voting twice. As far as I know, the VP does not even have a cabinet vote, and only affects the COC, which was a mute point, as domestic leader comes after the VP anyway. This seems to me to be nothing more than another attempt to damage my reputation.
 
I'm pretty sure that the VP isn't supposed to have a cabinet vote. 6 Leaders vote and the Pres breaks ties is how it looks to be organized (now 8 Leaders with our addition of the At-Large positions).
 
could somone of you two (cyc+eyrei) imagine dof maybe didnt have enough ppl at the beginning to separate everything? unless he wanted to wait for 2 years of discussion for the game-start...
so he just took the free position and gave it to the 2nd person in the coc...
so wheres the problem? we have elections now and so go and vote for whatever you like... you could always have brought your concerns to a vote but you didnt... so whats your problem?
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
could somone of you two (cyc+eyrei) imagine dof maybe didnt have enough ppl at the beginning to separate everything? unless he wanted to wait for 2 years of discussion for the game-start...
so he just took the free position and gave it to the 2nd person in the coc...
so wheres the problem? we have elections now and so go and vote for whatever you like... you could always have brought your concerns to a vote but you didnt... so whats your problem?
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I would like to have the VP position clarified before the election. As it stands, I am almost completely certain it is an additional post given to the runner up for the presidency, who is also already a member of the cabinet.
 
Okay, let's see if this helps at all....

The President can only be elected from someone who currently holds a cabinet position. I believe the President and Vice President are considered cabinet positions. The runner up of the Presidency election automatically becomes Vice President. There is not separate election for this.

DOF made eyrei Vice President because it didn't affect the COC.

The PM I sent to eyrei had to do with the idea that the VP seems to basically be a wasted postion because (as long as the President does what he is suppose to) there is not much for the position to do. I had asked eyrei (being Vice-President) if he thought the VP should be the one who acted as the Presidents Assistant (search for the threads awhile ago asking if there should be one for the Pres.) rather than trying to create a new position to do that.

Any other points I need to address?
 
Thanks Duke. Hopefully that will clear things up.

But what happens if the runner up for the presidency loses his/her cabinet seat?
 
Originally posted by eyrei
But what happens if the runner up for the presidency loses his/her cabinet seat?
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A player needs to currently be in a cabinet position to run for President. The runner up is VP. Whether they have a cabinent position during the next election doesn't matter for them to be able to be VP for the next election also.

So, if the VP doesn't win a cabinet position during the next election, IMHO, he doesn't have thet much of anything to do.
 
Originally posted by Duke of Marlbrough


A player needs to currently be in a cabinet position to run for President. The runner up is VP. Whether they have a cabinent position during the next election doesn't matter for them to be able to be VP for the next election also.

So, if the VP doesn't win a cabinet position during the next election, IMHO, he doesn't have thet much of anything to do.
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Thanks. I am assuming that the VP could also be a governor in that situation.
 
Originally posted by Cyc
Science Leader – The DOC hopes that Bill_In_PDX will accept this nomination and win the position. Although Bill cannot attend the chats because of work, he has been there on a weekend or two. We need Bill’s assistance in moving our nation forward in difficult times. He has strong knowledge of the game and is not afraid to voice his opinion. The Science Leader position will not require Bill to be at chats regularly, but his writings help us form our strategies and they need the power of a chair.
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Thank you Cyc for the nice comments. Assuming the country can survive with a Science Leader not regularly at chats, then I would be honored to run for election as Science Leader.

I second your nomination of SirPleb for Trade Leader.

Bill
 
Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


Thank you Cyc for the nice comments. Assuming the country can survive with a Science Leader not regularly at chats, then I would be honored to run for election as Science Leader.
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I don't think this will be a problem. The trade leaders decisions take many turns to carry out, so a chat presence is not really necessary.
 
Glad to see so many strong nominations for all the positions! I'm glad to see Falcon, Justus, Immortal, Smith and Donsig all get nominations, and also glad to see the current cabinet members are doing well and being nominated as well.

I just double checked the constitution, and found there are no term limits. I would have thought, to spread the wealth, it's would have been good to have a two term limit for all positions. Not a huge issue though...

I accept the nomination for Military Leader, but also welcome seeing Falcon in the running. (The downside if he wins is him needing to find as solid a chat representative.)

I see my contribution as giving a balanced, forum-centric, military analysis that looks at ALL aspects of Phoenatica interests, not just war. If the consensus is that the chat turn is really where the game happens, I'm admittedly not the best choice. In my mind, having a good think-on-your feet tactician in chat and a balanced strategist in forum is the best combo.

(Shaitan - thanks for the 'would have' non-nomination, but you're right :P )

Good luck to all! :hammer:
General Charis
 
Thanks, I accept my nomination for the Military Dept.

And Charis, If I win I'll likely be the primary chat represenative. ;) As I'm sure you realize.
 
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