None Shall Pass 2 [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Buddhafish]

Ok, you said it was a significance test, but that he had a minor role.

Still, no role is minor if played correctly. And minor can mean many things: a minority faction, not a main character (which we have already shown is no basis to determine scum/non-scum - Scum Jar Jar is the primary example), and that's just my thinking.

That's no reason to not suspect him. He didn't know he had an attack (possibly kill?) ability? I don't buy that.

 

[Snerk]

Everyone has an ability. Therefore their role can be played to a significant level if played correctly and with skill. There is no lack of skill on Takhisis' part, and along with many players on this site (Zack, Backwards Logic, ATPG pre-retirement), they can never be counted as anything but significant in a game of this complexity.

So to say his role is insignificant is a strange and misleading statement.

I'm just reiterating what the scan result said. If roles are indeed to be divided into minor and major roles then I would guess that most scums would be placed in the major category.

 

[Internet Flea]

So who did choxorn attack Night 2?

 

[Internet Flea]

Ok, you said it was a significance test, but that he had a minor role.

Still, no role is minor if played correctly. And minor can mean many things: a minority faction, not a main character (which we have already shown is no basis to determine scum/non-scum - Scum Jar Jar is the primary example), and that's just my thinking.

That's no reason to not suspect him. He didn't know he had an attack (possibly kill?) ability? I don't buy that.

This is... an odd reaction to a minor scry.

 

[choxorn]

I'm just reiterating what the scan result said. If roles are indeed to be divided into minor and major roles then I would guess that most scums would be placed in the major category.

Maybe most, but maybe not all.

And haven't we had problems with trusting scan results already? Remember how certain christos was that SamSniped was mafia? Surely if there are scans that can be fooled into thinking a townie is a mafia, they can be fooled into thinking a mafia is a townie.

And who's to say that the scanner isn't faking it?

Snerk, ignore the scan for a second and look at Takhisis's behavior and actions, today and throughout the thread. He practically screams scum from the rooftops.

So who did choxorn attack Night 2?

Backwards Logic. I'm not sure why he survived, or why he didn't survive when I attacked him again.

 

[Takhisis]

^If I scream scum at the rooftops then I'm a townie, don't you know? But wait, no, I've been coöperating and telling the truth from the beginning, for quite some time. Interesting, is it not?

Well, someone from the Morgoth faction had it when they died, how am I supposed to know how they got it?

You might. Assuming this tale about the ring having been in their hands is true…

Yes, you claimed all that! Ringwraith, ring seeker, evil and you want the ring for yourself!

Indeed!

What exactly does "corrupted" mean? Just turning evil or something... else?

Nobody is sure. How come it hasn't affected you? Do you have dreams about filthy hobbitses?

The thing is I don't know what to make of it myself, so please don't vote one or the other because you believe me, just get the complete picture and make up your mind. We know Tak is evil but we don't know if he is town, and we don't know if he is of certain faction.

I've been asking for scans for the past few days.

What we know about Choxorn? I don't remember what I knew about him... for sure not alignment, but lynching him will release again the ring... we better throw him and the ring together at mount doom!

Given that getting the Ring is a PG but not a VC for me, that sounds like an excellent plan.

Now Takhisis, explain to us how on earth are you supposed to get the ring, because if you attack the person who has it when trying to scan him I can't see how he will give the thing to you voluntarily... You mentioned in one private conversation you could try to convince the owner to give it to you... please show us how that can work?

I thought that I would first scan a person and then I could attack them at leisure afterwards, which would have given me excellent leverage when bargaining.

What? You did not know you had an attack ability? The role pm mention nothing of this? Does not compute.

As I say just above, I thought that the attack ability and the scan ability were two separate ones. Apparently they're not.

And what additional ability is that?

We don't know. That is pure speculation based on metagaming. Why would there be a Ring otherwise?

To kill the three members of the LOTR universe that survived None Shall Pass 1. My character wants revenge on them, or something.

Actually, two of them were Boromir and Elrond, who turned out to be members of Morgoth's faction. Fancy that.

I wonder if Eowyn, the third, is also some sort of anti-townie...

But there are more than three members of the LotR universe… And why would you want to kill all those people, Mr. self-proclaimed Lightsabreman?

 

[Swammerdami]

Vote: choxorn

"A ring in the hand is worth two in the bush."

 

[Legato Endless]

It will be an unstoppable wagon in no time...

Or stall into a confused morass.

I would agree with Snerk over the timing of the Nazgul attack and vote: JHT

I think the replacement might auto. Which...if this happens, we might need to power lynch his successor simply for giving us essentially no information about anything at this point in the game.

Oh yes, I can confirm. I am the Ringwraith.

Given that people are voting for me: vote:choxorn is the holder of the One Ring. As a Nazgul I am searching for the artifact (it's my PG) and, while my alignment is evil, I am apparently a member of the town, because Morgoth doesn't/didn't like us servants of Sauron because of our failure. Remember that Boromir and Mr. Butterbur.

The only Ring Wraith?

Are you actually town or another third party Tak? Riedquat almost makes it sound like there's a mason group. Which, while kind of deft thematically, seems improbable. Especially when half the player base killed the faction scanner a few days ago.

Huh?

How were you attacked Tanar? Tak and Choxorn have both told the same story on this front. You uncertainly claiming an attack is really weird. Is there a stealth effect in the game? The bus diver that maybe got Bsmith killed?

Why do you attack people if you find out they have the ring?

Did you not read the books?

What would a townie sound like, pray?

Less power hungry?

a) it corrupts anyone whose alignment isn't Evil already.
b) Because it's my ability.

So either Choxorn's evil, or...another faction? One the Ring creates?

Also, what happens with the ring if Chox is lynched? I still have no idea what the purpose of the one ring is in this game. I'm sure somebody knows more, please do tell! Until then, I'm suspicious of everybody who deals with rings in this game.

Complete agreement.

Oh my, you think so highly of me!

My VC is the eliminate all threats to the town one, and my PG ws accomplished long ago by scanning at least two evil/neutral-evil characters.
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Speaking of those, are any of them still alive?

I don't think they both need to die.

What do you think? You're being really close lipped in this game.

I'm just reiterating what the scan result said. If roles are indeed to be divided into minor and major roles then I would guess that most scums would be placed in the major category.

Tak is like, 1,000 times more likely to be town than for that ability to be a real thing. In that, I actually think there's a possibility of it. Unlikley, but possible. Tanar's ability makes no sense.

 

[Legato Endless]

Okay. Here's what I think needs to happen.

Choxorn can't keep the Ring. He can't be trusted. Especially with the way this went. That's obvious.

Giving the Ring to Tak is entirely too much of a risk currently. Especially when he hasn't told Riedquat what on earth happens.

I'd also rather not lynch Choxorn today because Tak be willing to lynch almost certainly mean this doesn't cast the ring into the fire.

I think Choxorn needs to give the Ring, assuming he can, to someone else of Riedquat's choosing. This must be an evil player left who isn't Tak. If they haven't been scanned yet, they need to confess their frankly trivial alignment at this point to him. Riedquat can confirm this then. This is not revealed within the thread, for obvious reasons. No it won't be me, because my alignment isn't evil.

 

[Riedquat]

This will be long..

And what additional ability is that?

Heck if I know!

Well, from his point of view, his hands are the only "right" hands, how do you know he's not just making the corruption part up to try to get people to think that they shouldn't have the ring and he should? After all, he can't be corrupted.

The corruption part is also on my role pm and the whole point of my PG, so are you calling me scum too? That part he didn't make up, I thought he was pulling my leg because he knew my PG or something when he was revealing to me.

About the number of scum in Lotr side I agree there must be a couple around...

Also, what happens with the ring if Chox is lynched? I still have no idea what the purpose of the one ring is in this game. I'm sure somebody knows more, please do tell! Until then, I'm suspicious of everybody who deals with rings in this game.

No idea myself, I'm clueless too.

I don't think they both need to die.

Ok, we lynch choxy and somebody else gets the ring (without considering the implications about corruption) what we do next, let Tak kill him to get the thing?

Clearly I should have killed Takhisis, the other guy I had a bad gut feeling about, but we can correct that mistake today.

Clearly you should have told someone you had the ring, you should have told us by now your alignment before and after getting the ring, you shouldn't have tried to fish what I was talking with Sprig, partly my fault for tempting you, I recognize that!

I'm just reiterating what the scan result said. If roles are indeed to be divided into minor and major roles then I would guess that most scums would be placed in the major category.

I think you need to reconsider this, go back and look the major results!

 

[choxorn]

I can live with that. Any takers for the ring that aren't Takhisis?

 

[Snerk]

Chox, what is your plan for tonight if you are not lynched?

 

[choxorn]

The same thing I do every night: Kill suspicious people. You know, like what a vig is supposed to do.

Right now Tanar and JohannaK are at the top of my list, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Riedquat]

Okay. Here's what I think needs to happen.

Choxorn can't keep the Ring. He can't be trusted. Especially with the way this went. That's obvious.

Giving the Ring to Tak is entirely too much of a risk currently. Especially when he hasn't told Riedquat what on earth happens.

I'd also rather not lynch Choxorn today because Tak be willing to lynch almost certainly mean this doesn't cast the ring into the fire.

I think Choxorn needs to give the Ring, assuming he can, to someone else of Riedquat's choosing. This must be an evil player left who isn't Tak. If they haven't been scanned yet, they need to confess their frankly trivial alignment at this point to him. Riedquat can confirm this then. This is not revealed within the thread, for obvious reasons. No it won't be me, because my alignment isn't evil.

You shouldn't post drunk! How on earth can I confirm their alignment? If a good aligned scum comes forward and claim to be evil or neutral evil.... noo, thanks! I trust you, you decide and we later lynch you for deciding wrong!

 

[Takhisis]

The only Ring Wraith?

Are you actually town or another third party Tak? Riedquat almost makes it sound like there's a mason group. Which, while kind of deft thematically, seems improbable. Especially when half the player base killed the faction scanner a few days ago.

My character's name is simply ‘Nazgûl’. So there could be more than one, or not. I simply don't know.

So either Choxorn's evil, or...another faction? One the Ring creates?

Corrupt people, the Ring? Why not?

The same thing I do every night: Kill suspicious people. You know, like what a vig is supposed to do.

Could you then explain the reasoning behind all of your kills and other attacks?

Right now Tanar and JohannaK are at the top of my list, but I'm open to suggestions.

How about killing a certain person corrupted by the Ring? One… choxorn.

 

[Internet Flea]

I think Choxorn needs to give the Ring, assuming he can, to someone else of Riedquat's choosing.

Riedquat, like "everyone should trust the Jedi Order" Riedquat? Why on earth would he get the deciding vote?

 

[choxorn]

Why should I explain myself to someone who has "kill me and take this shiny ring, probably so he can kill other people" as his goal?

I killed the people I did because I thought they were scummy.

 

[Snerk]

Bah, I'm going to bed. You'll have to figure out this mess yourselves.

I'll unvote: Chox because he did kill a couple of Morgoth.

And then throw a scum-like vote on JohannaK for no apparent reason.

 

[Takhisis]

@choxorn: You don't have to explain yourself just to me. Of course, if you didn't have the Ring, I wouldn't have attacked you. Now, why did you think those people were scummy? You're explaining yourself to the town, who hold your life in their hands.

@Snerk: You bad, bad townie. Are you proposing a JohannaK counterwaggon?

 

[Riedquat]

I can live with that. Any takers for the ring that aren't Takhisis?

You can pass it during this phase? I'm afraid of the takers not being town and not being evil... and umm... this game is weird!

Ok, takers claim to me, scum please refrain!