Nudity - Zita dans la peau d'une naturiste

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I suggest you jump directly to 54:55 for a rather unusual event. No worries. Evil bits are blurred out. No foul language either.

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No children were irreparably traumatized during this documentary, despite the lack of a 5 second delay between eyes and reality.

While I prefer to keep my clothes on in public, neither do I (or anyone else I ever met) freak out at seeing a naked dude or gal somewhere.
And while I also think that sex & pornography are not suited for the public space, I don't believe that nudity is something so horrible that a man can get arrested for being nude in his own house.

So ... why are the USA and muslim countries so terrified of their own god given body?
 
Dunno about the US and A, or the Muslims - who also seem terrified of dogs. But the French, eh?


A monkey wearing clothes is still a monkey.
 
My view is that public decency (i.e. don't whip out your junk in public places) laws make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Our closest relatives, other primates, also hide their genitalia and other sexual organs (breasts, etc.) in one way or another, at least until it is time to mate. Most apes are not bipedal for example.. That doesn't quite hide everything - but it's not quite so extremely confrontational as a naked human being in terms of the sexual organs being always pointed directly at the other person you're interacting with.

That sends some pretty strong sexual signals! We are a social species - our early survival depended on the males going out as a cohesive unit to hunt. Would these males have gotten along if, once they got back to camp, there were unintended sexual signals being sent between different members of the tribe because nobody was covering their junk? That sounds incredibly destabilizing and inefficient. Surely tribes that covered up their junk got an evolutionary advantage over tribes that didn't.

If you for one second pretend that you are David Attenborough walking through life, narrating stuff, you might imagine yourself say: "Humans cover up their junk because the bipedal nature of their existence would put too much of a strain on social cohesiveness otherwise. As a social species, the humans realized early on that it was wise to cover up their junk. Early human tribes that did not cover up their junk did not last very long. In essence, as soon as humans were smart enough to contemplate existence and view reality in more of a conscious way - they decided that covering up their junk was a wise thing to do."
 
nakedness is for the shower, intimacy, sleeping and walking around your home, oh and those weird germans walking around the alps in the nude...
 
Well, I hate to say this but that's just nonsense, Mr Warpus.

Take a look at some documentaries of Amazonian peoples.

Take a look at French beaches.

Is there any evidence (I know you like the word) for anything you suggest?
 
How many Amazonian peoples go naked? Maybe 1,000 people if i'm being really generous?
Now, how many people in the rest of the world wear clothes? Several orders of magnitude greater, so if we are playing by a numbers game your on the losing side Mr B.
 
Yes,(though it's substantially more than 1000 in Amazonia) people do tend to wear clothes. I suggest because of the climate? We are by nature equatorial animals.

My position is that one wears clothes for comfort. And that, for me, is pretty much it. The rest is just...well...nonsense.

But make what sense you like of it. To me it's not an issue one way or another.

And btw I do not go around naked myself. Before you ask. But that's mainly for reasons of comfort - modesty, not so much.
 
Er, of course we should wear clothes. For protection and what we consider decent. And even the lead nudists above don't let their stuff hanging everywhere all the time.
I'm just saying that some cultures tend to make such a big thing out of it.

And yeah, it'd be a bit embarrassing to walk around a nudist beach or a mixed sauna with a raging boner ... ok, not the sauna, we usually got ice water baths right outside.
But I found out that I don't always get a hard-on just because I see a pretty girl - nude or not. I depends on the situation, too.
And if you are able to appreciate beauty without succumbing to your instincts, you prove yourself to be above animals.

Go figure what that means for a society that stuffs women in burkas ... or invented covers for table legs, lest they arouse the desires of the god fearing man.
 
Borachio said:
Take a look at some documentaries of Amazonian peoples.
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There are humans who enjoy spending their time in the nude. The majority of human societies however prefer to cover their junk.

If you study human development from pre-human to to modern human, you will notice a definite trend from naked to clothed, with more and more human societies standardizing "cover your junk" social stigmas the more humans evolve.

My hypothesis doesn't imply that there aren't going to be humans in the present enjoying and being comfortable with nudity.. If it was a sizable enough number, then you'd have a point, but even if all of France embraced nudity it doesn't really detract from my hypothesis at all.

Borachio said:
Is there any evidence (I know you like the word) for anything you suggest?
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Look at how other species of primates use their genitalia (which in this case is usually hidden) as a sexual signal

Since bonobos can sheath their penis, nothing is visible most of the time. When the organ does appear, however, it is not only impressive in size, but its bright pink color makes it stand out against the dark fur. Males invite others by presenting with legs wide apart and back arched, often flicking the penis up and down—a powerful signal.
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Bonobos live in groups. Imagine if all the male Bonobos were walking around with exposed genitalia all the time and what sort of impact that might have on the social cohesiveness of the group.

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Yeah. Bonobos, I know.
Sexual intercourse plays a major role in bonobo society observed in captivity, being used as what some scientists perceive as a greeting, a means of forming social bonds, a means of conflict resolution, and postconflict reconciliation
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The "cover your junk*"(!) hypothesis is really tenuous stuff. It hasn't got legs. Think of codpieces for a moment. Explicitly designed to attract attention to the male genital area!

Amazonian peoples, and many others are not renowned for extravagant sexual behaviour. They just don't seem to pay it any attention. And they do usually have some kind of cache-sexe both for modesty reasons, strange as that may seem, and also some convenience and comfort in everyday life.

*for goodness sake! This says a lot about your own view of the matter, I must say. Are you a closet prude? No, really pay me no heed. It's none of my business.

Look. I simply don't care about this issue.
 
Quackers said:
How many Amazonian peoples go naked? Maybe 1,000 people if i'm being really generous?
Now, how many people in the rest of the world wear clothes? Several orders of magnitude greater, so if we are playing by a numbers game your on the losing side Mr B.
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The overwhelming majority of people aren't Welsh. Therefore, the Welsh do not exist, and anyone claiming to be Welsh is either an irrelevant savage or a contemptible deviant.
 
Borachio, your post is a confusing combination of irrelevant (again) examples, unsubstantiated claims, and appeals to emotion.

Maybe walk around your community with your genitalia exposed for a couple hours and you'll see what I mean by "unintended sexual signals" and "social cohesiveness"
 
Well, fine. I'll decline of course. But you see that's because I live in this culture at this time. And a culture, as I'm sure you know, is made of a great many things (mostly arbitrary). One of which is the convention of going round with your genitals neatly hidden away. I'm not completely daft, you know.;)

Same as if you were living in the medieval period you'd be a regular church attendee. Doesn't make it less nonsense.
 
I'm in favor of "at least cover your bottom parts" from a public hygiene point of view.
 
Yes. There's this too. But that's a separate issue from "disturbing the horses" and upsetting your grandma.
 
warpus said:
Borachio, your post is a confusing combination of irrelevant (again) examples, unsubstantiated claims, and appeals to emotion.

Maybe walk around your community with your genitalia exposed for a couple hours and you'll see what I mean by "unintended sexual signals" and "social cohesiveness"
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Do you not see a certain irony in accusing Borachio of appeals to emotion, and then offering as your only counter-argument what is as far as I can tell the equivalent of "yeah well if you hate america why dont you just move to iran"?
 
I'm sure nudity wouldn't bother us if we were used to it. Unfortunately, the American Mullahs have me conditioned fairly well, even though I'm nearly their exact opposite.
 
Borachio said:
Well, fine. I'll decline of course. But you see that's because I live in this culture at this time. And a culture, as I'm sure you know, is made of a great many things (mostly arbitrary). One of which is the convention of going round with your genitals neatly hidden away. I'm not completely daft, you know.;)
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It's a convention, yes. If you flash a girl your genitalia, that's a sexual signal, yes?

Now imagine that you and your closest buddies have to hunt every couple days as a tightly coordinated team.. and you have to be successful or you or your girlfriend back at the camp or one of your children could die. Now imagine what sort of chaos might be introduced into the equation if all of your buddies were flashing everyone else's girlfriend on a regular basis, when you weren't hunting.

Could you guys function as effectively as a team after 3 days of flashing? Such strong sexual signals would create a lot of resentment, jealously, anger, and so on.. it should have an impact on how much food you guys can catch when you're all pissed off at eachother like that. Over millions of years that should translate into some sort of evolutionary advantage.
 
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