Obsolete: when I discover a tech, or when anyone does?
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AdonisFigure
Chieftain
I pretty sure it's only when YOU discover that Tech, which given the newly designed tech tree, can be awhile. When i build Stonehenge early, I hold off on Calender for forever. I mean, I have so many more techs before I get calendar.
The penalty is that you lose access to certain resources, as you can't build plantations, but with trade and conquest you can get others to suffiently allow for those losses. And the extra culture and Great People points just continue to grow, especially if you are philosophical.
As I said in my thread, I also hold off on Scientific Method when I have several Monasteries so I can keep my 30-40 % tech boost.
The penalty is that you lose access to certain resources, as you can't build plantations, but with trade and conquest you can get others to suffiently allow for those losses. And the extra culture and Great People points just continue to grow, especially if you are philosophical.
As I said in my thread, I also hold off on Scientific Method when I have several Monasteries so I can keep my 30-40 % tech boost.
Brutus2
King
Yes I can confirm it is when you discover the tech. I too have had stonehenge and avoided getting calander. I know other civs had it because they kept trying to trade it to me and I kept turning them down because I was at war and wanted to keep getting the free oblisks in each city I captured.
Why do so many people build stonehenge? I think it's a pretty crappy wonder. Getting border expansions in civ4 is way easier than civ3. Total culture in your civ doesn't seem to have much of an impact as it did in civ3 either. It's mostly how much culture your border cities have and unlike civ3 it's easy to build culture in your border cities since there's no corruption. Sure the great leader points are nice but you could build another wonder that's more useful and doesn't go obsolete so fast for those.
Brutus2
King
I don't build it so much for the culture but for the Great Prophet points. You said there are more useful wonders that provide great person points but remember there are different types of GP points. I want a great prophet which is what stonehenge will provide. I want it ASAP to build a shrine in my holy city and start bringing in the extra coin as soon as possible.
mossmonster
Consider, if you will...
Just to confirm it's when YOU discover the tech. I had Stonehenge and it kept producing culture in all my cities long after other civs had discovered Calender which is the tech that kills it. Once I got Calender, bam, no more free culture anymore.
link1986
Chieftain
Are you guys sure about this? According to page 96 of the manual wonders become obsolete when any civilization learns the specific technology, however they will continue to produce culture.
abbamouse
Rodent
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I'm sure it's when you discover the tech. This is a holdover from Civ III that I hate. I like the Civ/Civ II system that obsoletes wonders as soon as anyone discovers this tech. That really makes you watch your opponents' tech choices -- and gives you the strategic option of "obsoleting" a vital wonder held by an opponent!
Vizzini said:
Indeed. And you have to think about the total impact--having 5 cities with +1 culture per turn for 50-100 turns...
And that culture is particularly important because of the first border expansions at 15 culture that can cut into enemy territory and give you access to new resources, which in turn makes a city more productive, and it snowballs...
Anytime I have access to stone, I go for stonehenge.
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