I was doing a little research on the subject and was reading on the way Jordan treated the Palistinians in their country. It sounds a lot worse than the way the Palistinians have been treated by Israel. A lot more were killed by King Hussein anyway.
Would it suprise you even more to learn that Jordan was the original 'Palestinian' state, yet refused to accept Palestinian immigrants from Israel; instead forcing them to live in refuge camps?
Originally posted by Greadius Would it suprise you even more to learn that Jordan was the original 'Palestinian' state, yet refused to accept Palestinian immigrants from Israel; instead forcing them to live in refuge camps?
Originally posted by jkharvey I was doing a little research on the subject and was reading on the way Jordan treated the Palistinians in their country. It sounds a lot worse than the way the Palistinians have been treated by Israel. A lot more were killed by King Hussein anyway.
More like Jordanian hypocracy, isn't it? Jordan killed in a single month over 10,000 Palestinians, yet condemns Israel when it kills 50 Palestinians who most of them are terrorists and militia members.
Arab countrise also don't have any problem with saying Israel, and especially Sharon, are responsible for the massacre in Sabra and Shatila although it was commited by arab chrsitians. They even planned on using the man who commanded this massacre as a witnesss in a trial against Sharon but didn't blame him for anything.
another thing I learned was that in these refuge camps, the refuges came mostly from jordan!! I cannot see a fair peace deal here without Jordan having to pony up some land.
Originally posted by rmsharpe I'd like to see the West Bank adjusted into Jordan and Gaza into Egypt -- the only two Arab states willing to show civility towards the Israelis.
Never happen. As we know, Gaza used to belong to Egypt, and the West Bank used to belong to Jordan. They don't want them back. Why? Because all those Palestinians would come with the land.
Another reason is, the idea of a Palestinian state has cachet in the Arab world and Europe (the United States is somewhat ambivalent about the idea). Because of that, the idea of a "giveback" of Gaza and the West Bank won't get any support.
Prediction: by tomorrow evening, this thread will be closed.
If suddenly, somehow, by a superweapon or disease or something other...Either all the Jews in Israel or all the Palestinians (refugees or not) went extinct, would that solve the problem? Would all nations act outraged but sigh with relief inwardly? Would the supporters of the dead side rise up to avenge the dead by eliminating the remaining side? Wouldn't the West and the Middle East just end up at odds over somthing else? Come on, you know they will.
So if killing off one side won't solve things, why do both Israel and Palestine seem intent on each other's disapperence off the face of the earth? Not to mention the wishes of carious other powers that be.
That's an easy one. To force the Palestinians out. Israel DOES want the West Bank and Gaza, but not the Palestinians. By putting settlers there, they can claim that land for Israel. They may not get the all the land, or even most, but they will get some. At least that is the reasoning.
Certain parts of the West Bank are necessary for maintaining the minimal defensive depth for Israel's legitimate security needs.
I am increasingly leaning towards the notion of Jordan being made the official Palestinian state, and them moved there, given the intractability of the Pals towards any sort of peaceful solution.
But the situation is not one that lends itself to a simple final and clear solution.
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade I am increasingly leaning towards the notion of Jordan being made the official Palestinian state, and them moved there, given the intractability of the Pals towards any sort of peaceful solution
According to the famous British mandate which 'promised' a Jewish state, it promised a Palestininan state too. The area that now compromises Israel, the West Bank, and Jordan was originally one British protectorate called Palestine. When the two states were initially created the Jewish side of Palestine was called Israel and the Muslim side Jordan. That was only 54 years ago. Now they want ANOTHER state.
Never happen. As we know, Gaza used to belong to Egypt, and the West Bank used to belong to Jordan. They don't want them back. Why? Because all those Palestinians would come with the land.
Another reason is, the idea of a Palestinian state has cachet in the Arab world and Europe (the United States is somewhat ambivalent about the idea). Because of that, the idea of a "giveback" of Gaza and the West Bank won't get any support.
Prediction: by tomorrow evening, this thread will be closed.
Becaue when we offered the arabs these areas in return to peace, after the six days war, they refused and so Israel remained with a lot of area under it's control. Why shouldn't Israelis live there?
Becaue when we offered the arabs these areas in return to peace, after the six days war, they refused and so Israel remained with a lot of area under it's control. Why shouldn't Israelis live there?
You should read the quotation before answering. I'll repeat it :
Originally posted by rjgo
f.y.i.: israel doesnt really want the west bank either, because its full of palestineans.
Then I asked why putting settlers in these territories if Israël was not interested in the land. Then you answer that it's to get the land. Then you prove my point.
You should read the quotation before answering. I'll repeat it :
Originally posted by rjgo
f.y.i.: israel doesnt really want the west bank either, because its full of palestineans.
Then I asked why putting settlers in these territories if Israël was not interested in the land. Then you answer that it's to get the land. Then you prove my point.
Building the settlements was a legally-fundamentally right maybe, but it was a stupid move in Israels history IMO.
Still, those are legitimate Israeli territories only de-legitimized by moslem promoted un resolutions.
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