Palistinian hypocracy

Originally posted by G-Man



More like because if we'd kick them out we'll:
A. Commit a racsit act against Palestinians, which is something against all Israel's basic rules and ideas (democracy, equality, fighting racsim)
B. Give arab and muslim countries a good reason to start a war against us
C. Create huge international respons against us
D. Give Palestinians another excuse for their terrorism
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Great for reason A. I really trust that is why it has not yet been done.
But if YOU support these basis rules, why do you include reasons B,C, and D ?
If you agree with point A, act B, C, and D are not illogical, or irresponsable?

(Well, except for terrorism then, there is never an excuse for that. But I take it you mean to say a Palistinian outrage by their deportation (sorry, but there would not be another word for it) would be inevitable, only sparking more violence)
 
Which brings me to proposals as to resettle the Palistinans elsewhere in the region:

The Palistinians don't want to leave where they live now, who else on the world wants to move from their homes?

Furthermore, Jordan is basically a big desert, where only nomads roam, exept for that nice furtile strip along the East-bank. The same goes very large parts of other Arab Countries.

Thirdly, the west-bank was once part of Jordan (and they squandered it, no doubt about that) and I have the feeling the Palistinians were not excactly happy with Jordan rule then.

Why don't people realize people are not struggling over a few barren rocks, but over a beautifull and furtile land? No-one is going to accept exile from that to live in the desert.

The pity thing is, the palestinians have been played around by many in the region, and they have definately been given the shortest straw...
 
Which brings me to proposals as to resettle the Palistinans elsewhere in the region:
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The Palestinans will never be resettled, at least not by Israel. It is far too familar to the Nazi resettling of the Jews, that is why even Sharon doesn't support such a move. Everyone accepts that the solution to the problem is the creation of an independent Palestine. The problem is that no-one agrees on anything about it.
 
Originally posted by germanos


IMO jews and arabs lived together for many many years, if not millennia, all that time before.
Better still: there are arabs living peacefully in Israel, as there are jews living peacefully in arab and muslim countries as well.

DON'T SAY ARABS AND JEWS MUST KILL EACHOTHER BY SOME NATURAL LAW.
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In 1948 the Arab countries and the Palestinians attacked Israel, before it was even officialy created (Israel's independence was declared in Tel Aviv because it was immpossible to get to Jerusalem at the time). It's not due a law of nature, but due to the arab leaders unwilling to except a jewish country.

BTW - When you talk about jews living peacfully in muslim countries you're ignoring the fact that there were so many anti0jewish attacks in these countries that most jews aren't even there. At these very days a few thousand jews from Maroco and
Tunis are likely to come to Israel, following the attack in Tunis. In other countries all jews hae already left. In Afghanistan there are today 2 jews, when 50 years ago there were over a 100,000. In Iran the situation is similar and Iraq isn't much better, except some rural areas in which the goverment doesn't have much control.
 
Originally posted by germanos
Which brings me to proposals as to resettle the Palistinans elsewhere in the region
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Why not resettle the Jews to Oklahoma.
I'm not saying they DESERVE to be resettle, heck, I'm pretty Pro-Israel on this. But we've got a chunk of sand out there that is pretty unsettled except for the occasional redneck. We've got to have room for a big Jewish enclave SOMEWHERE in the Midwest!
 
I preffer NY.
 
"HIGHLIGHTS: Hazardous Materials Collection..."

I think we'll stay here...
 
Why don't people realize people are not struggling over a few barren rocks, but over a beautifull and furtile land?
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germanos, israel is beautiful. want to know when it became beautiful and who made it beautiful? well when israel became a state, it was a desert, maybe except for a few spots. all the jews living their started to plant plants, and changed it from a desert to a beautiful place. in matter of fact, jcc's and other orginazations now days, have programs in which you can give money to plant trees. also, when they do it, they name the tree and can write "in memory..." or "in honor..." And then when they visit israel, they can go and see the tree that they "planted." and the only cost for all of this is 15 dollars. when i was a little kid living in the u.s., i helped plant 2 trees, and then when my family moved to israel, i got to see them. its a great program. ill try to find the site, and maybe you all can help plant a tree.

shalom

rjgo
 
:lol: :lol: :p :lol: :lol:

you are incredibly ignorant.

I am sure by bulldozing and pillaging aal the excisting orchards there wouldn't be any trees left then the one planted by this program.

Palestinians also planted lots of trees, are yours better?

The near east has bean beautifull and furtile since antiquaty, why else would your people want so much to return there?

You completely failed to get my point. The land is beautifull and furtile, that is why people want to live there. Not the other way around.

You give a valuable insight in your personal history though. It appears you are an immigrant to Israel. In my opinioun, if you immigrate to a country, an important thing of your incentive to move there would be your love for the country, and the people living there. And your respect for the people living there, and a rather humble aproach to difficulties you might be confronted with in trying to assimulate in the society you are entering.

Taken all these things into account, I am rather appalled my your outspoken hostility towards the a large part of the community you have entered, and your willingness to slay them. I think a more constructive attitude would be more in place.

Comming back to my statement that Jews and Arabs have found ways to live in co-excistance in the past and even present, I would like to say that many in Israel itself, as well as felt in many Arab countries around Israel, find that imigrants have a much more staunch attitude towards the arabs and Palistinians specificly, and they are found to be much more radical than the ones who have been living there for generations in a row. Is it not so that the large mayority of those people living in the settlements in the west-bank, gaza strip and the Golan-heights are immigrants rather then so to speak 1948-residensts?

It is an extremely arrogant view to claim that before you or your fellows entered the place it was a barren place, and that therefore all present there should bow to your superiour intellect or skill, and you should be thanked for your accomplishments. It is clear that some people living there do not. You can not achieve acceptance of that by force.
 
actually, we are not really imigrants. i was born in israel, and we moved to the u.s. when i was 2. my father got transferred to new orleans, so we moved. when i was 13, we moved back to israel. currently, im in college in the u.s.
our family's roots are from original 1948 israel. my dad fought in that war.
jerusalem might have been full of trees and life, and maybe tel aviv and some other cities, but most of israel was not. huge amounts of trees were planted once israel became a state.
i dunno, but i dont think i really gave you an impression of that you should bow down to me because we planted. all i was sayin is that a mammoth amount of trees were planted once jewish settlers came in, turning sandy deserts in to beautiful forests. and i also said that israel remains to plant trees, and i gave a link to help plant a tree, and to help the enviroment. i dont think thats acting like i am your superior and you should bow down to me, germanos.:)

shalom

help plant a tree

i condemn terrorism


rjgo
 
Originally posted by germanos

Comming back to my statement that Jews and Arabs have found ways to live in co-excistance in the past and even present, I would like to say that many in Israel itself, as well as felt in many Arab countries around Israel, find that imigrants have a much more staunch attitude towards the arabs and Palistinians specificly, and they are found to be much more radical than the ones who have been living there for generations in a row. Is it not so that the large mayority of those people living in the settlements in the west-bank, gaza strip and the Golan-heights are immigrants rather then so to speak 1948-residensts?
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It's been a few generations since 1948, and the immigrants have become a part of the Israeli society. You can't seperate people who lived here in 1948 from people who didn't because today it's a single society. There isn't much of a difference between people who came here before 1948 and people who came after wards. Sharon, Rabin, Peres, they all lived here before 1948.
 
Sorry man, you are doing it again

But first : I CONDEMN TERRORISM

Strange that it was the cities that were full off trees, and not the land, somehow that seems a 'contradiction in terms'.

I think it should be taken into account that since 1948 techniques of irrigation have quite improved. Water can be pumped up and distributed much more efficiently. I still have the idea that in essence you are saying:" You are wrong Germanos, Israel is not a beautifull and furtile place, it is Israel who made it so. "

I have never been to Israel, but I have lived in Syria and Lebanon for three years, I have been in Jordan several times, and I have made a wonderfull trip through the Sinai.

The first time I realized the strugle in the near-east was over beautifull and furtile land and not over sahara-like deserts was during my stay in Lebanon. That is a magnificent country, and if Israel is only half as beautifull and furtile as that.... And offcourse the Jordan valley... It is an oven, but so lush and green !

In Syria as well as in Saudi-Arabia large pieces of desert have been made furtile, so it is not something specifically Israeli to do that.
Excellent it is being done though by Israel :cool: , keep it going, it is in the benefit of all. :goodjob: Just be carefull you all don't pump out all the water-reserves. I know in Syria the water-table is dropping incredibly fast, and it seems inevitable that they will not be able to sustain the current irrigated land (they plant large field of cotton there :cry: . Rather silly to plant the most water-consuming crop you can find in the desert !)

I honestly hope that when you will rejoin the IDF, you will refrain from destroying trees and orchards, as well as other infrastructure, otherwise you're two trees haven't brought much prosperity to the land.

Geluk, Gerben
 
Once immigrants settle, offcourse the next generations aren't immigrants anymore. You are not saying the last immigrants arrived in 1948 are you?

NB: I don't think Sharon, Peres, Rabin live(d) in occupied territories?
 
I gave them as examples of people with different views. Shron was here in 1948, yet he's a right winger.
Many settlments were built before 1948, attacked by Jordan then, and in 1967 resettled by their previous residents.
Also, don't forget that in 1948 there were 600,000 jews and today there are over 5 millions.
 
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