Patch 1.09 released!
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balearicrazy
Warlord
Simna said:Hej!
This patch didnt solve the problem with the game slowing down to unplayable after about 20 minutes.
I dont even know if the patch is installed cause the installer seems to fail in the end.
I want a patch that makes this game work.
Ive paid good money for this game. I even had to upgrade my graphics card to meet the recommended specifications.
I want a patch that makes the game work now.
Simna.
Post your specs. I don't suffer from much in the way of game slow down, on huge maps with 4 rival civs I do get a bit by the 20th century (each turn takes around 1 minute).
Also you should try to run Windows with as few background programs (such as MSN messanger / virus checkers, so on) running as possible. Press CTRL-ALT-DEL (in XP & Win2000) to get a list of applications running on your system after startup. Also run a spybot check (can be downloaded from the internet free of charge) and a virus check.
Simna
Chieftain
Hej balearicrazy!
Processor: Pentium 4, 2,4 GHz, Graphics: MSI nVidia 5900, 128Mb, Memory: PC 2100, 512 Mb.
I dont have any internet connection on my computer, so I have no MSN messanger, no firewall, no antivirus checker, not anything like that.
Everything I have downloaded from the internet has been checked before it has been copied to my computer.
Any more suggestions?
Lev väl.
Processor: Pentium 4, 2,4 GHz, Graphics: MSI nVidia 5900, 128Mb, Memory: PC 2100, 512 Mb.
I dont have any internet connection on my computer, so I have no MSN messanger, no firewall, no antivirus checker, not anything like that.
Everything I have downloaded from the internet has been checked before it has been copied to my computer.
Any more suggestions?
Lev väl.
Simna said:
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i have about the same system, but with 1024 MB of Dual channel PC2700, and a leadtec FX5900-128MB instead.
i have some pretty sevire performance problems as well, im playing a game with 18 civs on a huge map tho'... what is the biggest issue for performance, map size or rival civs?
ps. it's spelled "lev vel"
Psyringe
Scout
Sofus said:
From my experience, map size is the bigger issue. For example, doubling the number of AIs (while maintaining the same map size) will not double the number of decisions they have to make, as each of them will have a smaller empire, fewer cities, and hence less decisions individually.
However, doubling the map size (while maintaining the number of AIs) will lead to many more AI decisions in total, as there will be (in total) more cities on the map, more units, longer paths to calculate for the units etc.
I haven't thoroughly tested though, take it as an impression.
Rising Sun
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CloudyPeak said:
Not really, something wicked in there that the modern warefare couldnt even take out a longbowman or a spearman. Im still waiting on fixing those glitches before i play again.
Sofus said:-----
what is the biggest issue for performance, map size or rival civs?
Hi! I'm almost positive it's map size.
I'm a big fan of Epic games on the largest maps possible with the most AI Civs as possible.
Sadly, even after the patch, by the time I get to the 1800's AD, the game is crawling slow, and I still get Crashes to Desktop.
I guess I'll have to resign myself to playing on smaller maps...
Anyone experience the same?
balearicrazy
Warlord
The people have had problems, if you have got Norton Systemworks, use Winproblems to clean the registery and also do a speed disk. I do that every month when my machine starts to slow down and it speeds it back up again.
Redlance71
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Yeah, why does it say I don't have game installed? I installed just like anyone else. I keep disc in tray. Tried installing from main menu and from a downloaded versino of patch 1.9. What good is patch if I can't install it? Anyone know of a fix?
Jarrod32
Warlord
Ill share my experience. Not because I need to rant or brag, but because by explaining my experiences, it may help someone else out. Also, I suspect that the game designers read this, and to clearly explain our experiences should help them as they try to fix the game.
First, my system: 2.6 ghz AMD, 1024 MB RAM, 128 MB nVidia GeForce 440 MX video card. At first installation, I would get through the setup menu fine, then when the game was to start, it would crash to desktop/low resolution. I updated my video drivers, and that solved that problem. After that, it worked pretty good except
When I first open the game, it tells me that my system is below specs and it claims that the game is adjusting settings accordingly (I presume that is a video card issue).
Had the two-food only tile output displays, and sound was choppy. I lived with the tile display problem, and just turned the volume to zero on my keyboard control. Wonder videos played fine, but again, sound was choppy
I did have the occasional CTD most prominently when I would try to save a game, or when I would try to load a saved game. For the most part, though, the game was playable and not at all slow.
I considered not downloading/installing the patch, but decided to give it a try. Went through the game menu check for updates route, and it downloaded and installed quickly, smoothly, and without problem.
After patch tile output display is fixed. Very good. I still get the system is below specs warning, but again, it claims that the game is adjusting settings
Gameplay remains smooth and quick no noticeable slowdowns. I played a game on standard size world/normal speed to completion over the weekend (a cultural victory as Frederick in 1946) and the game played smooth and fast all the way through. But
No wonder movies at all (which doesnt bother me a bit if theyre going to be a problem, I can live without them and would probably try to disable them if that were the case). This may be part of the game making adjustments for my below spec system?
Dont know about sound didnt think to turn the volume back up no idea if that is fixed. Also, after-patch I no longer get the pop-up messages when I have discovered a technology I do kind of miss this
So, I played a game to conclusion (with a few saves and restart/reload along the way) without issue (with the exception of the missing wonder movies and tech discovery pop-ups). Until the victory, when after the rankings, replay, etc it asked if I wanted to Play-just-one-more-turn or exit to main menu. I chose to exit to main menu (as it was 11:45 last night), and got the first CTD that I experienced after installing patch 1.09. Oh, well I was done anyway
I will try a game tonight (and I will try to remember to turn the volume back up to see if that works), and maybe I will try a large or huge world to see how far I can get with that.
Just sharing my experience
First, my system: 2.6 ghz AMD, 1024 MB RAM, 128 MB nVidia GeForce 440 MX video card. At first installation, I would get through the setup menu fine, then when the game was to start, it would crash to desktop/low resolution. I updated my video drivers, and that solved that problem. After that, it worked pretty good except
When I first open the game, it tells me that my system is below specs and it claims that the game is adjusting settings accordingly (I presume that is a video card issue).
Had the two-food only tile output displays, and sound was choppy. I lived with the tile display problem, and just turned the volume to zero on my keyboard control. Wonder videos played fine, but again, sound was choppy
I did have the occasional CTD most prominently when I would try to save a game, or when I would try to load a saved game. For the most part, though, the game was playable and not at all slow.
I considered not downloading/installing the patch, but decided to give it a try. Went through the game menu check for updates route, and it downloaded and installed quickly, smoothly, and without problem.
After patch tile output display is fixed. Very good. I still get the system is below specs warning, but again, it claims that the game is adjusting settings
Gameplay remains smooth and quick no noticeable slowdowns. I played a game on standard size world/normal speed to completion over the weekend (a cultural victory as Frederick in 1946) and the game played smooth and fast all the way through. But
No wonder movies at all (which doesnt bother me a bit if theyre going to be a problem, I can live without them and would probably try to disable them if that were the case). This may be part of the game making adjustments for my below spec system?
Dont know about sound didnt think to turn the volume back up no idea if that is fixed. Also, after-patch I no longer get the pop-up messages when I have discovered a technology I do kind of miss this
So, I played a game to conclusion (with a few saves and restart/reload along the way) without issue (with the exception of the missing wonder movies and tech discovery pop-ups). Until the victory, when after the rankings, replay, etc it asked if I wanted to Play-just-one-more-turn or exit to main menu. I chose to exit to main menu (as it was 11:45 last night), and got the first CTD that I experienced after installing patch 1.09. Oh, well I was done anyway
I will try a game tonight (and I will try to remember to turn the volume back up to see if that works), and maybe I will try a large or huge world to see how far I can get with that.
Just sharing my experience
Azazell
Prince
hmm What the error ? ;/ I install new windows for new partition and again this problem .. Windows is NEW !
I have original game
HELP ME
I have original game
HELP ME
VilleDick
Chieftain
Well to add some balance to the patch feedback I must say I'm happy with it so far. Normally when I played on standard maps in the modern age with a war going on I could only play about 2 turns before it became too slow to play. I downloaded the patch and loaded one of my games and was able to play easily. My opening movies don't studder anymore either like they used to. I haven't built a wonder yet so I'm interested to see the wonder movies. I'll know later today when I play a new game.
System:
P4 3GhZ
512MB RAM
GeForce FX5500 w/ 128MB RAM
On an aside I do load it up using the msconfig tool to have basically a bare bootup without Norton or anything else loading, just my video drivers.
System:
P4 3GhZ
512MB RAM
GeForce FX5500 w/ 128MB RAM
On an aside I do load it up using the msconfig tool to have basically a bare bootup without Norton or anything else loading, just my video drivers.
Psyringe said:
My experience shows that map size is the number one reason for slowdown. But on larger maps multiple civs also have an affect as follows.
More Civs on large map = more expanding all at once = more slowdown earlier in the game.
Fewer Civs on large map = about same expansion for Civs but fewer of them = slowdown appears later in the game.
I have most noticed this on Terra maps. While the map is larger than equivalent size maps it always appeared to run better, until you get to optics etc and start being able to expand to the new world. Then it goes to hell in a hand basket.
So more Civs = more slowdown sooner, but has no effect on the ultimate level of slowdown.
Just what I have found.
And though I have posted my problems before here is a complete in depth list of them and what I have tried to fix them and the results (as far as I can remember at any rate).
Install: Fine.
Mislabeled CD. Annoying. 30 secs to a minute to check online and change out the CDs. Ominous feeling in gut.
First time I ran it:
Standard continent map 18 civs, everything ran fine till end game whereby I won with spacerace victory on warlord difficulty (getting a feel for the game). No problems at all. Movies ran fine etc. Close the game goto sleep and wait for the morrow for more play time. Weekend YAY! Ominous feeling Gone, replaced with euphoria!
Prepatch next day until day of patch release:
Intro movie is fine. Start huge map 18 civs. Stuttering Wonder movie sound, smooth video playback. I think ok... huge map same problems as Civ3 where it runs slow start on smaller map. Still stuttering movies. Game runs fine on maps smaller than standard until end game. On Standard tends to run fine until industrial/modern age then sound begins to show some stuttering turns slowdown map moves choppy, Nemoy's voice begins to stutter towards end with more sever graphic anomalies, such as units during attacks start to seperate out, it animates single attack they just stand around then both act as if retreating and one is declared the winner and the other dies. Noticably longer turn processing choppy diplomacy animations, I have not noticed any affect on advisor screens, maybe slight increase in their loadtimes. This is all the same stuff as happens on larger maps as well now. It just happens sooner on them. The more civs = the sooner. Always by Age of Discovery/Renaissance on large or huge maps.
I get first CTD on large map play. Takes a few minutes for the screen to clear and the system to start running normally. Go online read up some stuff. Try various fixes ala unpacking the pak file checking drivers (all upto date) rolling back drivers to older versions with no effect on the game. It still runs just as badly. Reccomended cache clearing has no effect. Go back in change all graphics settings that I can find to lowest both in game and .ini put autsave to 1 turn frequency (actually I think I reduced graphic setting before going online to lowest). None of it has any effect. The game looks worse and still runs awfull with CTD dispersed at intervals in late game. If I start the game right back up after CTD it maintains the sound/graphic glitches and crashes again in 5 to 6 turns. If I reboot and load up it runs smooth again for the first turn then rapidly degenerates again and crashes in 20 to 30 turns. Eventually I get the first crash that goes to BSOD. I stop playing and decide to wait for a patch.
Patch to present:
Check the Firaxis site... no patch... check others... A PATCH! Yay. It is 1.08. It is turned off before I can try to download it. Another day or two... 1.09 comes out. Still nothing on Firaxis site about anything worthwhile, very annoying. Try to download the patch in game through advanced menu. It goes oh so very slow... but eventually finishes... and the patch installer crashes while loading the Civ patch. ARG. I posted the exact error messages earlier in this thread. I download another patch from this site. Same thing happens. I download 3 more patchs all from different sites. Next two also crash but not in same place. They crash while attempting to patch Civ4, that error message is also posted somewhere. The fifth patch I downloaded works and patches the game. I run it up and... Intro is still fine. At first everything seems to run better... then the first wonder movie... and it runs even worse! Not just sound stutter but full movie stutter. Eventually all symptoms return. Perhaps they start up a little later in game. Nothing very noticeable. Standard games stop having CTD. They just get slow endgame. Large and Huge still crash.
Go online to find solutions read about .pak file having to be in place and old parts deleted so uninstall whole thing reinstall. Make sure pak file is ok and just for kicks try the last three patches again. Once again the first two crash with same message and the last one works. No affect on patch performance still runs exact same.
Mess with the config file again set bink lines and load it up... no intro movie at all... ok... play the game and first wonder pops up and... RUNS SMOOTH... with the same old stuttering sound... and a poor quality image! ARG. All other problems still present.
Decide to keep playing until/unless another BSOD.
None so far and by quiting the game and rebooting when the sound stutter and graphic glitches get bad enough I can avoid CTD for most part. And play game in 30 to 40 turn increments in late game.
Thus is the source of my intense frustration with this game and any intemperant comments earlier/first rant.
Please note I have repaced the HD, defragged it, run multiple system scans, shut off all background tasks except Civ4, flashed the Bios, updated/downgraded drivers, everything I could think of to get this game to work right and it just won't. No problems with any other game I have installed. Doom 3 on second highest tier of settings runs just fine, Half Life 2 the same thing, Battlefield 2 on standard settings is fine, FEAR runs good. MOO3 and its videos run fine(too bad the game sucks). Heck I can even play the Civ3 WW2 global war mod with decent turn speeds.
I don't overclock or anything like that... just standard nice little system.
Hope that little story helps someone (namely the patch makers).
blue3c
Warlord
Azazell said:
Did you check to see if the patch removed your exe??
There are some bad patchs out there. Even if it is the ingame installer, You may have hit a bad server? who knows. Just check to see if your exe is still there.
bio_hazard
Prince
Just sharing my patch experience.
BACKGROUND: I'm running on a < 2yr old laptop with a substandard card but otherwise at or above minimum requirements (Compaq Presario 2195us, AMD Althlon 2500+ 1.8GHz, 512 ram, Radeon 320M).
Before- had black terrain, eyes-and-chompers leaderheads, only bread (no no hammers or coins) on resource overlay. Choppy intro movies, laggy mouse movement. Usually crashed 30-60 min into game.
The Patch: Downloaded over dialup- > 2hr download. Installed just fine.
After the Patch.
Now get pop-up message saying I'm playing below minimum requirements, my graphics settings have been adjusted but I may experience performance issues.
IMPROVEMENTS- Gameplay seems (a bit) faster, now have full, moving leaderheads, now get hammers, coins and bread in resource overlay.
STILL BROKE- stuttering intro movies, still black terrain (which is fixable with the 'reveal all terrain' fixes. Still somewhat laggy.
Only played one game for more than a few turns, but that one ended up with a hard crash. Fan was working pretty hard (and continued to work after crash), which makes me think it was either a memory leak or a thermal shutdown. haven't booted up computer again to try to find a crash log...
BACKGROUND: I'm running on a < 2yr old laptop with a substandard card but otherwise at or above minimum requirements (Compaq Presario 2195us, AMD Althlon 2500+ 1.8GHz, 512 ram, Radeon 320M).
Before- had black terrain, eyes-and-chompers leaderheads, only bread (no no hammers or coins) on resource overlay. Choppy intro movies, laggy mouse movement. Usually crashed 30-60 min into game.
The Patch: Downloaded over dialup- > 2hr download. Installed just fine.
After the Patch.
Now get pop-up message saying I'm playing below minimum requirements, my graphics settings have been adjusted but I may experience performance issues.
IMPROVEMENTS- Gameplay seems (a bit) faster, now have full, moving leaderheads, now get hammers, coins and bread in resource overlay.
STILL BROKE- stuttering intro movies, still black terrain (which is fixable with the 'reveal all terrain' fixes. Still somewhat laggy.
Only played one game for more than a few turns, but that one ended up with a hard crash. Fan was working pretty hard (and continued to work after crash), which makes me think it was either a memory leak or a thermal shutdown. haven't booted up computer again to try to find a crash log...
I have read all the posts here, and it seems that the rants are outweighing the raves for the patch, 2 to 3. I hope 2K Games takes note.
I suspect that the reason the patch doesn't show up on the official site is because the patch is not finalized, which may explain the problems everyone has been having to date. I suggest people wait for the patch to either show up on the official site, or wait until word is posted on the official site, before proceeding.
Regardless of what state the patch is in, the Company should have posted an update since its November 16 post. This is causing a lot of needless confusion
and angry customers.
I suspect that the reason the patch doesn't show up on the official site is because the patch is not finalized, which may explain the problems everyone has been having to date. I suggest people wait for the patch to either show up on the official site, or wait until word is posted on the official site, before proceeding.
Regardless of what state the patch is in, the Company should have posted an update since its November 16 post. This is causing a lot of needless confusion
and angry customers. sgtfury said:I have read all the posts here, and it seems that the rants are outweighing the raves for the patch, 2 to 3. I hope 2K Games takes note.
I suspect that the reason the patch doesn't show up on the official site is because the patch is not finalized, which may explain the problems everyone has been having to date. I suggest people wait for the patch to either show up on the official site, or wait until word is posted on the official site, before proceeding.
Regardless of what state the patch is in, the Company should have posted an update since its November 16 post. This is causing a lot of needless confusion
The T2 rep I spoke to seemed genuinely surprised that the memory leak was still in existance. I agree that they may already have another, more complete patch in the works...which is why they don't bother posting 1.09. As with several other games that I've played, the companies often release "band-aid" patches to fix a few issues here and there while the "big momma" patch is being coded. Diablo 2 comes to mind.
Redlance71
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Regarding: Does 'Sid Meier's Civilization 4' show up in your Add/Remove Programs list in the Control Panel?
Try reinstalling the game from the CDs
Actually it does not show up on add/remove programs. In fact can't find a way to uninstal it at all. Ended up deleting the whole folder and am now attempting to install it on my normal C drive rather than my E partition I had it on in case it was not partition friendly. What causes it not to show up on the add/remove programs?
Try reinstalling the game from the CDs
Actually it does not show up on add/remove programs. In fact can't find a way to uninstal it at all. Ended up deleting the whole folder and am now attempting to install it on my normal C drive rather than my E partition I had it on in case it was not partition friendly. What causes it not to show up on the add/remove programs?
blue3c
Warlord
Again, some flavors of this 1.09 patch actually uninstall the game. Not a complete uninstall. Just enough to take it out of your addremove programs list and remove the exe.
Some flavors just hose the game. Some work wonders for people.
I just don't get it.
The fix in most cases for a bad patch is
reinstall the game.
reboot
uninstall
reboot
reinstall to a different directory
reboot
use the ingame update to patch game (at your own risk)
I think it is a good point that nothing on the offical site mentions this ummm patch.
Could this be a whoops, we will never know with such great communications from firaxis.
Some flavors just hose the game. Some work wonders for people.
I just don't get it.
The fix in most cases for a bad patch is
reinstall the game.
reboot
uninstall
reboot
reinstall to a different directory
reboot
use the ingame update to patch game (at your own risk)
I think it is a good point that nothing on the offical site mentions this ummm patch.
Could this be a whoops, we will never know with such great communications from firaxis.
