Persian History

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Personally all this "Modern History", which is a contradiction, is extremely boring to me. So I have been studying Persia.

How about some input from other ancient history fans.
 
I enjoy reading Persian history. It gets short shrift because of modern politics; even aside from Ayatolla Khomenei the Arabs don't like Persia, the West is too young to have known Persia in its glory days, the Chinese don't like the Persians, and the Mediterranean world remembers the Persians as outside conquerers. Still, Persia was a great Classical civilization and one that made significant contributions to world culture. Even as a conquered empire ancient Persia played a major role in civilizing the Moslem conquerers (much as the Greeks would do for the Romans), and indeed I am still hopeful that a native Iranian Islamic democracy will do the same...
 
Persia: Probably one of the greatest civilazations ever existed if not the greatest. Maybe India and China are ahead. It's been pretty powerful throughout history not just having moments of glory and getting pushed back down. First we have the ancient Persians, who were the world's only superpower until some dummy Macedonian got lucky. :D Then we have the (forget their names, Medes?) who harass the Byzantiniums for a while until they are conquered by the Arabs. Then Persia goes through a few hundred years of being ruled by Arabs and then Turks, and then its independent again and becomes the Safavid empire. They last a while and are slowly beaten down by the Ottomans until no more. Persia continues as a nation into the 20th century and one of the wealthiest in Asia since the British hadn't looted nearly as much there as they had in India and China :mad: and then it shoots itself in the foot about 741 times and we get backwards Persia which is beginning to regain itself now finally. Brief, mostly incorrect, I like Persia and not the thieves! :mad: :p
 
God: I believe they were called either the Omayyad Empire or the Ayyubids.
 
Originally posted by Immortal
God: I believe they were called either the Omayyad Empire or the Ayyubids.
No, these are the names of the Islamic Caliphates. The correct term is Sassanids. ;) They fought the Byzantines so hard, until they weakened themselves dangerously and got overrun by the upstart Arabs fr the deserts...
 
Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
No, these are the names of the Islamic Caliphates. The correct term is Sassanids. ;) They fought the Byzantines so hard, until they weakened themselves dangerously and got overrun by the upstart Arabs fr the deserts...
Ofcourse! The Medes were I believe conquered by the Persians (Cyrus and all) I think or something like that. And the Arabs invaded them, true.

The Persians were always the most civilized civ in the Middle East. The Arabs were barbarians until they became influenced by Persia and Islam. There were some other major independent cities such as Demascus.
 
The Persian Empire. Founded by genius - destroyed by greed.

Founded by the general Cyros after coup against ineffecient Median King. Cyrus resumes former State's offensive posture towards King Croesus of Lydia. Invades Lydia and by ruse, the until now much feared Lydian Royal cavalry of nominally 10.000 is routed by Cyrus putting the logistic train in front of his army, namely camels, the lydian horse never having smelled the scent of camel fleeing in confused order. So he advances towards Sardes, Capital of Lydia, and prevails by laying siege. The Lydian King Croesus is enslaved and becomes a guiding teacher to young Cyros.

Babylon is captured through siege, involving enginering and counter-engierneering to gain control of the waterways leading water into the defensive artificial rivers constructed around Babylon. Bybylon secured: the Persians are cought in the international money trap.

The curious Babylonian temple economy demands ever increasing flow of capital. The temple personel essentially decides the time of date, based on the overlapping in seasonal changes as result of the calendar not being accurate. Optimal implementation of semi-annual harvesting is thus decided by the priesthood in exchange for options sold to the local marketplace - this practice released funds for further investmnet by the marketeers. They could hold on to assets and offer shares in knowledge to the peasantry. The peasantry, had by then allready let itself become involved in debt, quite possibly because ownership of options had become an ever increasing liability. Enter the bankers as mediators and much land is now in posession of the banks. However as lenders of last resort an ever increasing amount of gold is needed.

Succesor Darius succefully enhanced The Empire ,however aquisition of sufficient funds meant the introduction of the system of Satrap tribute of gold, electron and silver. Satapies were administrative units of the Persian Empire, and Daruis was a great administrator. In fact, parts of Aristotelses 'Economics' concerning ,among other things, 'governor rule' was undoubtedly inspired by this Persian system of governance.

The Greeks, or should I say the Ionian speaking part of them, rather angered king Xerxes (I skipped Cambyses, son of Cyros and the subsequent Magus rebellion ,scary stuff though, however) by burning the Cybele temple in Sardes to the ground, thus ruining the temple economy there. Not to speak of the excellent festivities, which considered by todays standards would have been considered in disacordance with the State.

We must by now consider the tremendous effect Athen's control of the silver-mines of Laurion had on creating a monetary block which was competitive to Persian gold-standard. Indeed, things became so rough that egyptians were executed for re-minting Athenian coin into standard Babylonian coinage.

The economic and the resulting Persian foray into Attica was then an attempt to deny, for the time being, this source of wealth to the Athenian people, though it never succeded. However the Persians did succed in burning Athens to the ground in revenge of aforementioned burning of Sardes.
 
The Persians and the Medes are closely related peoples. One conquering the other didn't really shake up the hierarchy all that much - just the top dog in the tribal confederation.

And the Persians of Cyrus' time aren't exactly the exact same as the Sassanids, culturally. Remember that the Sassanids came to power after overthrowing their Parthian overlords who had ruled in the Persian highlands for a couple of centuries (who in turn drove out the Seleucid Greeks earlier; who in turn took over fr the Persians we were talking about). By this time, the Persians had absorbed a good amt of Greek influence too (remember Alexander the Great?). ;)
 
Persian history... my favourite subject of all (look at this forums history, and you'll find a couple of threads on ancient Persia I've opened) :)

The Persians originally were part of a great migrant groups, known as the Indo-Iranians, along with some other notorious ones like the Medes, Bactrians or those known as the "Aryans" in India.

The first traces of a people named Persians can be found in Assyrian inscriptions of the 9th century. By the 7th century, the Persians have settled down in Elam, Anzan and a region they named after themselves (Parsa), all in southern Iran.
Under Cambyses I, they united into one kingdom under one prince, and Cyrus II brought them to greatness in the mid-6th century BC. It was the beginning of the Achaemenid empire, which, at its zenith about 500 BC (its absolute one actually in 480 BC) stretched from the western border of modern-day India to Thessalia, and from the northern border of modern-day Sudan to the Syr-Darya river in Kazakhstan. The Persian-Greek dualism had no true result, the absolute power shifting between both from time to time until Alexander the Great conquered the Persian Empire and spread the Greek culture, named "Hellenism" by the Prussian historian Droysen, throughout the Middle East. The Persians were reduced to their original borders and had to subdue to Greek and later Parthian overlords, until in AD 224, Ardasher of Persia defeated the Parthian King Ardavan. Persian power was restored under the Sasanid dynasty, and Persia at times even subdued the Byzantine Empire (during the mid-5th to early 6th century). A Hunnic tribe, named the Hephtalites, subdued the Persians during the late 5th and early 6th century, but the Persians could eventually throw their yoke off. A new time of glory followed, and at the zenith of its power, the Sasanid empire stretched from deep Central Asia to Yemen, Oman and Syria, for a while, it even held all of Syria, Palestine and Egypt, and large parts of Asia Minor, Persian forces even reaching Constantinople.
But the Byzantines struck back, and in short time, all of Persian power was terminated, a civil war errupted, and Persia eventually fell to the Arabs.
Persia was now ruled by, in chronological order, the Arabs, local princes, a Turkish dynasty known as the Ghaznavids, Seldjuk Turks, the Khwarizmian dynasty, the Mongols and Timurids, the Safavid, Qajar and Pahlavi dynasties, and, since 1979, the country, now known as Iran, which is a more accurate description, is an Islamic Republic.

Maybe you wanna check out my site at http://www.alexanderthegreat.de about the Achaemenids and Alexander the Great (though it's currently in German only).
 
To mr. Haertel

Great website. My german is not so good but I managed to read the history on Persia. One criticism: I know your website is mainly on Alexander but your treatment of Darius' economic policies only gets half a sentence!

"Auch Makedonien wurde bei demselben Feldzug unterworfen. Doch die wichtigsten Errungenschaften des Dareios waren diverse Änderungen in der Verwaltung."

I think you need to qualify "diverse Änderungen" a bit more. At least two sentences.
 
Sounds reasonable. Perhaps I'll do a cross-reference link over to the "Verwaltung" section. Thanks.
 
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