Pirates, Really?

[fantsu]

How is this at all the same? The Republic of Pirates was a thing. Blackbeard was real. He really sailed on real ships with real pirate flags. This isn't some kind of composite of all pirates everywhere.

Maybe it was? Lasted what? 5 years? Maybe it isnt. What we have left of this mighty civilization? Not here for too deep of an historic speculation. Just for what the game has to offer.
Hey. Modern age Somali Pirates can maybe replace them in game. History is in layers after all.

 

[Kwami]

Maybe it was? Lasted what? 5 years? Maybe it isnt. What we have left of this mighty civilization? Not here for too deep of an historic speculation. Just for what the game has to offer.
Hey. Modern age Somali Pirates can maybe replace them in game. History is in layers after all.

About 12 years in Nassau. It's very well documented.

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[Stomper66]

I dont mind pirates they look fun, different and transition into civs like ameica, mexico and britain quite nicely (even though thats all likely changing).

Im more dissapointed with Tonga and Iceland. Two tiny sparsley populated islands with very little impact on real world history. With Iceland there were better nordic options and Tonga how is it significantly different from Hawaii? I mean i dont know the ages these civs are in but maybe if Tonga was antiquity it could complete Hawaii and Philipines as the pacific island based civ and iceland could be an antiquity civ for Britain Russia or Germany?

If you were going to have a pirate theme or maritime empire versus pirates you could have had England, Portugal, Netherlands, Barbary states or Morroco, Hong Kong, Venice etc.

I just dont know why theres so much representation in Asia and Australasia and nowhere else in exploration. In Europe theres just Spain and the civs nobody asked for Normans and Bulgaria.

 

[Yzman]

Maybe it was? Lasted what? 5 years? Maybe it isnt. What we have left of this mighty civilization? Not here for too deep of an historic speculation. Just for what the game has to offer.
Hey. Modern age Somali Pirates can maybe replace them in game. History is in layers after all.

So now you are going to move the goalposts and question actual facts about whether they existed? So civ needs to have left a "mighty" impact to be in this game? Well lets get rid of half of these civs right now. Hell, lets get rid of these new ones. What lasting impact does Tonga have? Iceland?

In your attempt to sound petty, you have actually just opened up that the majority of the civs except for the strong 10 or so, don't really deserve to be in this game.

And if we want to talk impact, surely Blackbeard is more famous and "impactful" to modern culture than...well I would say the majority of the civs in this game no? Definitely moreso than many leaders we have.

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This style that this game has lends itself to having them included. We have multiple versions of China over the ages and of other civs. So they are mostly English background? That doesn't seem an issue for some other civs in the game. Should we start removing all civs that may have English origins?

 

[Yzman]

I dont mind pirates they look fun, different and transition into civs like ameica, mexico and britain quite nicely (even though thats all likely changing).

Im more dissapointed with Tonga and Iceland. Two tiny sparsley populated islands with very little impact on real world history. With Iceland there were better nordic options and Tonga how is it significantly different from Hawaii?

If you were going to have a pirate theme or maritime empire versus pirates you could have had England, Portugal, Netherlands, Barbary states or Morroco, Hong Kong, Venice etc.

I just dont know why theres so much representation in Asia and Australasia and nowhere else in exploration. In Europe theres just Spain and the civs nobody asked for Normans and Bulgaria.

The truth is, they try to factor multiple things in when creating civs. Fun, unique gameplay, player desires to see them etc, area representation.

Hawaii is a great example. Hawaii was its own civ but did it really have such a unique culture that it makes sense to be its own separate civ? If I use the logic people are using against the pirates? No. If I use the factors I laid out above? Absolutely.

 

[WillK96]

I wonder how many had the same complaints regarding Gran Colombia, a polity that crumbled after 12 years and never really extended sovereign control over the entirety of its territorial claims. (Not from me, it was great Gran Colombia was included).

 

[Leucarum]

I dont mind pirates they look fun, different and transition into civs like ameica, mexico and britain quite nicely (even though thats all likely changing).

Im more dissapointed with Tonga and Iceland. Two tiny sparsley populated islands with very little impact on real world history. With Iceland there were better nordic options and Tonga how is it significantly different from Hawaii?

We are polar opposites! I am really looking forward to Tonga and have some hopes for Iceland. But I don't think there's a world in which I don't immeduately disable the pirates at least, and probably also Teach.

I think that while there is under represenation of Africa and the Americas, and probably over-representation of Asia, this installation of Civ has done a better job of giving us a range of both big name civs and smaller civs. As a certified small civ enjoyer, I approve of this.

 

[Stomper66]

The truth is, they try to factor multiple things in when creating civs. Fun, unique gameplay, player desires to see them etc, area representation.

Hawaii is a great example. Hawaii was its own civ but did it really have such a unique culture that it makes sense to be its own separate civ? If I use the logic people are using against the pirates? No. If I use the factors I laid out above? Absolutely.

We are polar opposites! I am really looking forward to both Tonga and have some hopes for Iceland. But I don't think there's a world in which I don't immeduately disable the pirates at least, and probably also Teach.

I think that while there is under represenation of Africa and the Americas, and probably over-representation of Asia, this installation of Civ has done a better job of giving us a range of both big name civs and smaller civs. As a certified small civ enjoyer, I approve of this.

Sorry i ammended my origional comment i dont know the ages of the civs. Yes i really like Hawaii too. I dont know what Tonga could do different in exploration but if its in antiquity it will fit in with Hawaii well. Same with Iceland I am so tired of starting a European nation with Greece or Rome so would be noce to come from a Northern European civ in antiquity if you want tl link it to similar cold climate european civs

 

[stealth_nsk]

Sorry i ammended my origional comment i dont know the ages of the civs. Yes i really like Hawaii too. I dont know what Tonga could do different in exploration but if its in antiquity it will fit in with Hawaii well. Same with Iceland I am so tired of starting a European nation with Greece or Rome so would be noce to come from a Northern European civ in antiquity if you want tl link it to similar cold climate european civs

Tonga is antiquity civ, Iceland is exploration.

We'll surely get more antiquity European civs later. Goths already have their wonder waiting.

 

[Lebo44]

Were there any additional civilizations found in the game files? (besides those that were just announced or already released)

 

[stealth_nsk]

Were there any additional civilizations found in the game files? (besides those that were just announced or already released)

I don't think so. But we could guess some from wonders.

 

[Stomper66]

Tonga is antiquity civ, Iceland is exploration.

We'll surely get more antiquity European civs later. Goths already have their wonder waiting.

Its half a win then. Iceland can fit into those northern european civs in modern then, and england has another exploration civ that isnt england. Arnt Normans aleady the viking civ with their coast combat bonus's

 

[Skojardu]

I like Edward Teach for a Leader choice but definitely not Pirate Republic.

They are adding Pirate mechanics to the game, which is interesting, and good, but why do we need one Civilization that is only pirating and not a real Civilization? Sounds counterintuitive.

Now here is what I think. They want to make the middle of the game more interesting. Then the Pirate Republic and Pirates in general should "replace" Barbarians as a midgame threat, sort of like Creeps in Warcraft.

Declaring war on everyone, plundering and causing a bit of chaos, but also being a diplomatic character that you could reason with and buy out to attack your enemies.

Just giving the player an option to be the pirates feels a bit like selling out. It's like risk adverse. Why not try something a bit strange? Maybe because they've been getting so much backlash on new and strange mechanics.
Well, I think Pirates as a Civilization strikes me as more strange than if they were a chaotic mid-game mechanic.

Rhye's and Fall for Civ 5 might be right up your alley...

 

[queenpea]

Though I know that the civ's uniques and city names will presumably be based on the historic Pirate Republic in the Caribbean

I'm kind of hoping that they can't produce settlers and have to conquer cities instead, like the old Venice mechanic. I'm assuming the capital will be Nassau/New Providence, but we will see.

 

[stealth_nsk]

I'm kind of hoping that they can't produce settlers and have to conquer cities instead, like the old Venice mechanic. I'm assuming the capital will be Nassau/New Providence, but we will see.

In the leaks it was said that they can't produce settlers, but I don't know the details and that mechanics replace it.

 

[Xandinho]

I wonder how many had the same complaints regarding Gran Colombia, a polity that crumbled after 12 years and never really extended sovereign control over the entirety of its territorial claims. (Not from me, it was great Gran Colombia was included).

Before making its debut in the franchise, Gran Colombia was one of the most requested civilizations around here. And while there were indeed some complaints about its addition, the backlash was nowhere near as strong as what we’re seeing now with the Pirate Republic. On the other hand, I’ve never seen anyone asking for a Pirate Republic — even though some people like the idea of a pirate civilization today, it was never a common request here.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Were there any additional civilizations found in the game files? (besides those that were just announced or already released)

The Māori were in the same leak. Maybe they were deciding between Tonga and Māori and decided the game needed Tonga first.

Its half a win then. Iceland can fit into those northern european civs in modern then, and england has another exploration civ that isnt england. Arnt Normans aleady the viking civ with their coast combat bonus's

The thing is Iceland never did much raiding. That was their Scandinavian counterparts. According to the leaks it looks like their focus will be more along the lines of exploration.

 

[Yzman]

I'm kind of hoping that they can't produce settlers and have to conquer cities instead, like the old Venice mechanic. I'm assuming the capital will be Nassau/New Providence, but we will see.

Yes the leaks say they can't product their own settlers, but they can steal them or conquer cities.

 

[queenpea]

In the leaks it was said that they can't produce settlers, but I don't know the details and that mechanics replace it.

Oh cool, good to know! Maybe they will have a boost to razing cities as well—like a boost to gold and culture like other civs enjoy for killing units.

 

[IntelligentDisk]

Before making its debut in the franchise, Gran Colombia was one of the most requested civilizations around here. And while there were indeed some complaints about its addition, the backlash was nowhere near as strong as what we’re seeing now with the Pirate Republic. On the other hand, I’ve never seen anyone asking for a Pirate Republic — even though some people like the idea of a pirate civilization today, it was never a common request here.

I'm not really seeing any strong backlash over Pirates or Blackbeard. I'm seeing more positivity than negativity about them across social media.