Plantation on banana not worth it?

[Eagle Pursuit]

There's a new reason to build plantations on bananas now, though, right? Resource diversity affects trade routes, and - correct me if I'm wrong - you have to improve the resource, rather than just grab the hex, before it counts for those purposes.

It won't always make it worthwhile, but if your main trading hub has bananas, it may be worth building a plantation on one of them, at least.

Alas. Only luxuries and strategics count towards resource diversity, not bonus resources like bananas.

 

[Yzman]

There are also certain things that benefit to have the scientists, rather than the science outright such as Statue of Liberty.

 

[MadHaxxor]

you CAN'T build an improvement on any tile with a resource except for its special improvement. I agree though, bananas are only useful when you first get the city + granary, afterward I never chop it because of the science and a possible culture bonus (Brazil, or pantheon) and considering the ridiculously long time it takes to chop a jungle and build a plantation. I think it would be fine if it didn't chop down the jungle with it, like how camps dont chop down jungles.

 

[Vuffster]

Alas. Only luxuries and strategics count towards resource diversity, not bonus resources like bananas.

...Huh. Wonder why I thought they did... guess I haven't been checking the detailed tooltips enough to realize that.

 

[MarshalN]

I got Oral Traditions in my last game, and my cities were next to a whole bunch of jungles. So I improved some bananas while leaving the rest - those extra culture early (especially with culture production buildings nerfed) are useful too.

 

[Louis XXIV]

It would be nice if those food resources did count. It would help add a meaningful distinction between them.

 

[Vuffster]

It would be nice if those food resources did count. It would help add a meaningful distinction between them.

Yeah. The health system is one of the few things I really miss from Civ IV; even if happiness limits growth in much the same way now, collecting different types of food was fun.

 

[Chiatroll]

Yeah. The health system is one of the few things I really miss from Civ IV; even if happiness limits growth in much the same way now, collecting different types of food was fun.

It makes me miss corporations from civ 4. If I had like 4 million rice late game I'd have a cereal company to spam.

Right now it keeps a tally of a bunch of resources I don't care about because they have no purpose like how many bananas I have.

 

[Abraxis]

I've always thought it was an oversight that allowed the Granery to improve unimproved Bananas for this reason. I suspect it wasn't intentional, but who knows

 

[CornPlanter]

Wrong.

You can built forts on bananas without removing jungle... but outside of that, no improvements (other than roads too)

When you are being pedantic, never forget railroads.

Not sure about Freitoria and Moai.

By the way, has plantation on banana an upkeep?

 

[Calouste]

When you are being pedantic, never forget railroads.

Not sure about Freitoria and Moai.

By the way, has plantation on banana an upkeep?

Polynesia can build Moai on resources.

 

[kajillion]

This guy would try to build trading posts on cows.

I would put trading posts on bananas, cows, sheep, and stones if I could.

 

[TomKQT]

Yeah. The health system is one of the few things I really miss from Civ IV; even if happiness limits growth in much the same way now, collecting different types of food was fun.

I don't miss it at all. It was just another per-city value that you had to watch and micromanage. And in exactly the same way as everything else - by making tile improvements, buildings and wonders.

 

[Dtekkar]

Nah. You get 4 science specialists, max, ever. Bananas with universities are their own science specialists with food to support two more.

I have never improved a banana resource since I've gotten reasonably good at the game.

This. There are a couple times it gets debatable, if improving it early wouldn't effect workers elsewhere early on, because they literally have no other tiles to work to do (probably only a pyramid liberty civ), or if there isn't enough food in that city site to grow or run specialists without it improved. But generally leaving it is better because while the extra population it generates would themselves generate science, leaving it jungle gives you similar science and doesn't cost you additional happiness, and you are constantly playing under a happiness cap.

 

[Mesix]

Can France build a Chateau on a jungle banana (assuming it is adjacent to a luxury)?

 

[sonicandfffan]

Why would anyone want to build anything on a banana ever?

It's basically a tile your worker doesn't have to build on, be thankful and move on.

 

[BSPollux]

if you got the 'specialists consume half food' SP then the 2 extra food are worth more then the 2 science

 

[Miravlix]

Just to make it more complicated.

A plantation on bananas on a hill is 5 food + 1 production.

Not sure if there is any other tile type that changes bananas.

 

[simonthesinner]

I don't improve the Bananas. Given that we play immortal, ressurected, magically transported versions of a leader that is fully briefed on all tech and knows ahead of time that leaving a jungle untouched in 3000 BC will lead to artillery gettig invented sooner, which you may need to counter a runaway Russia that rushes the damn wall.

If you roleplay an ancient leader that makes the decition 3000 BC for what is best 2900 BC then you always build the plantation.

 

[Calouste]

It took me a while to explain to a friend of mine NOT to plantation bananas
Bananas in jungle = 3
with granary = 4
with plantation = 5
with fertilizer = 6

Leaving the bananas alone:
Bananas on jungle = 3
With Granary = 4
With University = 4 + 2

this is ignoring either the +1 for jungles or plantations pantheon.

so its 6 food vs 4 food 2 science, I'll take the +2 science every time, and leaving it alone reaches maximum output much earlier (Education) compared to the plantation option (Fertilizer)

Unless that has changed recently, the removal of jungle always results in a plains. So Bananas with plantation is 41, or 32 on a hill.