Please explain in detail what France UA do?

[phelphel]

Hi, this is a simple question but bear with me
What does the France UA mean??
"Museum and World Wonder theming bonuses are doubled in their capital".

A museum gives +5 Culture, so it means I guess that this bonus in doubled to +10
...but what is a theming bonus and which Wonders are in applied to?

 

[SemperFi2382]

Hi, this is a simple question but bear with me
What does the France UA mean??
"Museum and World Wonder theming bonuses are doubled in their capital".

A museum gives +5 Culture, so it means I guess that this bonus in doubled to +10
...but what is a theming bonus and which Wonders are in applied to?

The Theming Bonus is when you have Great Works matching in a specific set. For example, having all one era in a particular building. Certain wonders, like the Globe Theater have slots for Great Works, which can be themed.

You can hover over the slot in your Great Works screen to find out what requirements are needed to get the Theming Bonus.

 

[BenitoChavez]

Pretty much everything you need to know:
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Theming_bonus_(Civ5)

 

[Browd]

Theming bonus has nothing to do with culture generated by wonders and museums. When you place great works in great works slots, they generate +2 tourism per great work. If you put them in buildings (like most wonders and all museums) that have multiple great works slots, you can generate a tourism bonus (base increase equal to +1 tourism per great work in the wonder or museum, rising to +2 with the Aesthetic social policy finisher). France's UA doubles that tourism bonus in your capital.

To see what great work combinations are required to earn a tourism bonus, go to your culture overview screen (where you can see your great works in their slots) and mouse hover over the +1 next to particular wonders and buildings.

 

[Scirocco16V]

Theming bonuses are for great works stored in wonders, such as the Louvre. Every wonder which has a slot for more than one great work has a "theme" and if you fill all the wonder's slots with works that match the theme, it doubles the culture and tourism that those works are producing. I haven't played BNW as France yet, so I'm not sure if France would get triple or quadruple.

The wonders w/ more than one great work slot are:
Sistine Chapel (2 Art)
Louvre (4 Art)
Broadway (3 Music)
Sydney Opera House (2 Music)
Great Library (2 Writing)
Globe Theatre (2 Writing)

Themes are things like: all works are from the same civ and same era or all works are from different civs and different eras.

 

[joshua43214]

Hi, this is a simple question but bear with me
What does the France UA mean??
"Museum and World Wonder theming bonuses are doubled in their capital".

A museum gives +5 Culture, so it means I guess that this bonus in doubled to +10
...but what is a theming bonus and which Wonders are in applied to?

You do not get double base ulture from France's UA.

An example;
The museum has 2 great works slots that can be filled with great works of art or artifacts.

The museum produces 1 culture on its own.

If you put a great work of art or an artifact in a museum, it gains 2 culture and 2 tourism, for a total of 3 culture and 2 tourism. France will receive 3 culture and 2 tourism (the same as any other civ).

The theming bonus for the museum is to place 2 great works of art, or 2 artifacts from the same era and same civilization. You will receive +2 culture and +2 tourism for the theming bonus.

A themed museum gets 7 culture and 6 tourism for a standard civ. for the culture, it 1 from the building, 2 from each artifact, 2 from the theme. For the culture, it is 2 from each artifact, and 2 from theme.
France gets 9 culture and 8 tourism from a themed museum. You get the same base as above, but you get 4 culture and 4 tourism from the theming bonus.

So the important thing to keep in mind is that you get double theming bonus, not double base.

If you take full aesthetics, France will get 13 culture and 12 tourism before modifiers from a museum.

 

[phelphel]

Thanks you guys for all the great replies. Can you explain how to get a great work from another civilization. Does it mean that you have attack another civ to get whose?

 

[Browd]

You can trade great works (other than music) and artifacts on the second tab of the Culture overview screen.

Or you can conquer cities that contian great works and artifacts, but the AI will often move GWs and artifacts to other cities when a city comes under siege.

 

[Scirocco16V]

You can also get artifacts from other civs randomly by digging them up with an archeologist.

 

[GoStu]

Doubles the +2 or +4 from your museum there, plus the bonus from any World Wonders you get there.

In other words somewhere between two and twenty odd tourism in your capital. Thirtysomething if you're lucky with Wonders. It's a pretty crap UA.

 

[sendos]

Although the UA stacks well with aestethics finisher, it does force you to build all cultural wonders in the capitol, which might be the difference between getting and losing a particular culture wonder.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

AFAIK, French UA is the only benefit that is cumulative and has a multiplier greater than 1

 

[GoStu]

AFAIK, French UA is the only benefit that is cumulative and has a multiplier greater than 1

Not sure how you mean that, but the Aztec UA will stack with Honor's opener.

City of Light does stack with the finisher of Aesthetics, but it pretty much has to to be worthwhile. In my opinion it's still junk as it takes a hell of a lot of effort to work, and gets progressively worse the harder the difficulty.

I do quite like the Chateau, but France is crying out for a new UA.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

Sacraficial captives and honor opener don't multiply anything. Take monarchy and India's UA for example. Per citizen unhappy is 1*0.5*.05=0.25 in the capital. That is cumulative. Everything I can think of the gives a reduction in something bad is cumulative, ie it moves toward but does not reach zero. Meanwhile, things that are good tend to multiply by the base. National college in a city with 20 base science increases it by 50% and a uni increases it by 17%, but the bonus isn't 20 * 1.5 * 1.17 = 35.1, it's 20 * (1.5 + 1.17) = 33.4.

So usually, we get shafted both ways.

 

[Redaxe]

Regarding cumulative benefits I'm quite sure that if you play Inca with the Commerce policy that reduces the maintenance costs of road/rail you get a 100% discount.

 

[bbbt]

And Korea's UA stacks with Rationalism. Babylon's with Humanism...

Is there a UA that doesn't stack?

Edit: I guess technically any of the great people UAs (i.e. Maya) don't 'stack' in some sense, as they make the next GP more expensive...

 

[GoStu]

Sacraficial captives and honor opener don't multiply anything. Take monarchy and India's UA for example. Per citizen unhappy is 1*0.5*.05=0.25 in the capital. That is cumulative. Everything I can think of the gives a reduction in something bad is cumulative, ie it moves toward but does not reach zero. Meanwhile, things that are good tend to multiply by the base. National college in a city with 20 base science increases it by 50% and a uni increases it by 17%, but the bonus isn't 20 * 1.5 * 1.17 = 35.1, it's 20 * (1.5 + 1.17) = 33.4.

So usually, we get shafted both ways.

Okay, I see your point that it's truly multiplicative, however it almost has to be. If it wasn't, the UA would be even closer to worthless than it is now.

Brazil's UA is additive, I believe, in that it just drops another 100% onto your current multiplier. I haven't done the numbers on France vs. Brazil as far as tourism, but my gut feeling is that Brazil's is better.

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

And Korea's UA stacks with Rationalism. Babylon's with Humanism...

Is there a UA that doesn't stack?

Edit: I guess technically any of the great people UAs (i.e. Maya) don't 'stack' in some sense, as they make the next GP more expensive...

Stack is not cumulative! Stacking is taking two multipliers and adding them together and applying the result to the base. Cumulative means applying one multiplier to the base, taking the result and multiplying it by the second multiplier.

 

[GhostSalsa]

France's UA makes me so sad... not even because it's so marginally useful, but because it's boring. It's nice to try to "encourage" making a wonder-filled city but having to focus on theming wonders and getting no benefit from the more visually exciting wonders like Eiffel is such a backwards way to do it... I don't care about being the "museum capital of the world." Add that with France's boring color scheme, boring start bias and boring European city graphics and you have a very bland-feeling "city of light." Maybe if they gave Paris cooler building graphics in the modern era like Polynesia gets it would make up for it.

Anyway they could have just made the UA "gets pre-filled work of art in any building/wonder that has a slot when it is built in the capital" which would be strong but hardly as over-the-top as Poland or Korea's UAs.

 

[Redaxe]

Okay, I see your point that it's truly multiplicative, however it almost has to be. If it wasn't, the UA would be even closer to worthless than it is now.

Brazil's UA is additive, I believe, in that it just drops another 100% onto your current multiplier. I haven't done the numbers on France vs. Brazil as far as tourism, but my gut feeling is that Brazil's is better.

I would find that the Brazil UA is more versatile. For instance if you don't care for a culture victory you can use Great Artists to keep popping Golden Ages and use the extra Great Writers for grabbing extra social policies. This might actually work better than Poland's UA, someone should try this out.