Poland: Greece on roids

[budweiser]

Tech to era 2 any way you like, try writing>horseback riding. Choose Patronage for your freebie. Tech to Medieval, choose consulates. Pledge to protect as you meet everyone. Keep choosing your freebies out of patronage as you play through the game. You should end up with a massive block of support: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

I am trying this on Immortal now, will report back tomorrow.

 

[NoobEmperor]

but greece can perma ally every city state.

 

[Chiatroll]

Greece on steroids is greeces ability to stack patronage on it's UA and then throw a religion spam for more reduction into that mix.

Poland is more like someone who makes fun of the aztecs for working to get extra policies while they just pop free ones left and right.

 

[Tich]

This works on Deity btw. You don't even have to Beeline Consulates. I usually do:

Open Tradition -> Liberty to Collective Rule -> Finish Tradition (time Legalism to nab 4 free Amphitheaters) -> Patronage to Consulates -> Full Rationalism -> Order

Always get Rat when you can but you can nab Consulates before you delve too deep down the tree. This BO is tested purely at Deity and leads to a sub 270 science win on Pangea maps virtually every time. You can usually grab the Oracle and the Sistine Chapel and even if you don't it's still possible to do this order. I literally just played a game where I did this and won on turn 264. I didn't get Oracle or Sistine Chapel that game and I still easily finished Trad + Rat and got everything that I needed out of Order.

The way that it usually plays out is like this. If you get your 4 free Amps and work your writing guild early on then you'll finish tradition before hitting Acoustics + Renaissance. This is especially true if you got the Oracle. Use that "wasted" tech on Patronage. All you need now is one spare point at any time to get Consulates. If you want to open Rat when you hit Renaissance, that's probably better. It's what I do. Still, I usually grab Consulates right after.

The key to making this BO work are the guilds. Get great writers rolling early and pop them for huge culture boosts. Try to use them all during golden ages if possible for maximum effect. Winning the World Fair works too. If you could somehow luck your way into getting both... damn son! Still, you can fill your guild slots and still get +2 science from the Rat tree per specialist and then use those GAs for tons of culture. Great musicians are the least important obviously but I mean it's still +4 science to work their slots and getting the culture for great works of music isn't nothing.

This opener works best on Pangea-esque maps because you want to meet every CS relatively early on if possible. Again, I only play on Deity and this is my go-to Policy plan with Poland. It's disgustingly powerful. Also, it's important to note that this BO works well with any VC and it's great even if you don't have an amazing starting location. You get fast, cheap Settlers, lots of growth (both border and population) and you still make enough science to overtake Deities by the Modern age. I have never even come close to losing a science race with this BO. The closest that I've ever seen is someone build the Apollo program but no parts. That is literally the closest that I've come to losing. I have well over a dozen 240-270 wins with this strat so far.

For what it's worth I'm usually fine with delaying my NC slightly to get Oracle first if that's on the table. I won't delay it until like turn 120 but if I have to finish it on say turn 105 that's fine in my experience. Getting that culture boost and the free tech to finish tradition faster is better than having a few extra turns of science in my experience.

 

[Monthar]

Going Autocracy and using some of your free policies to get to Gunboat Diplomacy quickly and keeping yourself at 1st in military you can just park a unit or two at each CS and rake in 6 point per turn. If you're already at friend from Consulates + pledge, that's only 5 turns to ally if no-one else has allied them.

 

[Falconiano]

Going Autocracy and using some of your free policies to get to Gunboat Diplomacy quickly and keeping yourself at 1st in military you can just park a unit or two at each CS and rake in 6 point per turn. If you're already at friend from Consulates + pledge, that's only 5 turns to ally if no-one else has allied them.

Glad I'm not the only one to do this gimmick afterall

 

[budweiser]

This is working really well. I played to 215 and will open the Modern era in about 15 turns. I went part Tradition/Full Liberty/Free Patronage to Rationalism.

Go to Drama first before Philo, try for Parthenon.
Maximize writers - NE & gardens.
Use writes after GA for a boost to Rationalism policies.
Stay small so you can put up your nationals ASAP.
A religion helps because the CS will quest it.
Tech the bottom tree to open UU at the beginning of the age (I did not do this)
Pay attention to the CS quests.

 

[budweiser]

Going Autocracy and using some of your free policies to get to Gunboat Diplomacy quickly and keeping yourself at 1st in military you can just park a unit or two at each CS and rake in 6 point per turn. If you're already at friend from Consulates + pledge, that's only 5 turns to ally if no-one else has allied them.

How do you sink a Polish Battleship?

 

[DerCivMeister]

Greece on steroids is greeces ability to stack patronage on it's UA and then throw a religion spam for more reduction into that mix.

Poland is more like someone who makes fun of the aztecs for working to get extra policies while they just pop free ones left and right.

You try playing the Aztecs, honor opener, raging barbarians, and you tell me if you think you could get policies faster as Poland!

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

The fact that you have to modify a setting should indicate the relative usefulness of said strategy.

 

[Chiatroll]

You try playing the Aztecs, honor opener, raging barbarians, and you tell me if you think you could get policies faster as Poland!

I've had several plays as Aztecs with raging barbs and honor. Yes, you can get policies faster as Poland because your free policies don't increase the culture cost per policy while culture gained policies (Aztecs) do increase this cost. Even with raging barbs. It's not like you need raging barbs you when you can murder a civilized neighbor and raze his cities like a gentleman.

Aztecs do on the other hand get culture that will help keep another civ from having cultural influence on them in the late game while Poland doesn't gain any bonus culture from their free policies unless it invests the points into Aesthetics.

Also I think Aztecs have a much better UU even if I can't tell who has a better UB.

 

[Deau]

This works on Deity btw. You don't even have to Beeline Consulates. I usually do:

Open Tradition -> Liberty to Collective Rule -> Finish Tradition (time Legalism to nab 4 free Amphitheaters) -> Patronage to Consulates -> Full Rationalism -> Order

11 SPs before rationalism(9 of your own)? If I am to play tall with 3-4 cities, I'd much rather take the hit of losing slight growth in capital losing CR and get the 2 points into patronage by T50. The benefits from mass allies will pay itself dozens of times. Esp since it means ill have the CPT from consulates compound and likely get my first GW pop secularism on top of rationalism opener right into renaissance.

 

[Tich]

11 SPs before rationalism(9 of your own)?

If I do this opener and get the Oracle then I usually find myself forced to take Citizenship before I can open Rat. You're probably underestimating how much culture this opener produces. Each city produces 4 (monument, Lib opener, Amp) and your cap produces 10 (Trad Opener, Oracle) and that's ignoring pantheons and culture CSes which can often grant you a culture boost. You'd be amazed at how quickly you can fly through the trees. Try it for yourself if you want.

 

[Tich]

SSes of the game that I just played:

Stuff done by Renaissance:
http://postimg.org/image/6szt27ilf/

Deity proof:
http://postimg.org/image/fruimhw73/

Didn't get any World Wonders:
http://postimg.org/image/jzom80znf/

Still got all my policies:
http://postimg.org/image/5uit67qm3/

The Win:
http://postimg.org/image/xmd6i87tz/

I lost my Aluminium while I was sending my last piece to my Cap lol. Venice bought up ever single CS XD. I did this well despite not getting Oracle or Pyramids. Still easily got everything that I needed and then some.

 

[Monthar]

Here are some SSes of the game that I just played:

Getting the req'd stuff by Renaissance:

Spoiler :

Proof that this is on Deity:

Spoiler :

Sub 270 win:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/lx3a.jpg/

Those spoilers aren't showing anything.

 

[Tich]

Those spoilers aren't showing anything.

I used a different image hosting site. Imageshack is having problems.

Anyways, I hope this helps anyone who was interested in trying the build themselves. It's amazing.

Oh, also, I didn't get Oracle or Sistine Chapel that game. I literally got nothing early on. Still easily pulled this off. Posted some SSes of that.

For the record I only finished Liberty so I could get a GE to rush Hubble. Then I got lazy and rushed CN Tower instead and just built Hubble.

 

[Monthar]

In the screenshot you labeled as "Didn't get any World Wonders:" you have the CN Tower which is a world wonder.

 

[tommynt]

You try playing the Aztecs, honor opener, raging barbarians, and you tell me if you think you could get policies faster as Poland!

why dont people think before posting?

Poland will get u at the end of the game whole free sp tree, OBVIOUSLY thats WAY more free sp as few culture from kills give. espacially as sp are really free and dont increase costs of "normal" sp.

maybe changing that d make Poland a bit more balanced. Or only free sp till ren era or so.

 

[Tich]

In the screenshot you labeled as "Didn't get any World Wonders:" you have the CN Tower which is a world wonder.

You're missing the point entirely. What I was displaying was that I got 0 early world wonders that would have affected my ability to acquire pre-Renaissance policies. Yes, I used a GE to get a CN Tower out of boredom at the end of my game. Woop-dee-doo. It had 0 impact on my ability to acquire culture early on. I managed to Go Trad + Lib + Pat and still get full Rat + everything essential out of Order and Tradition was finished by Renaissance. That's one sick sequence if you ask me. If I could figure out how to record I would gladly do a VidLP.

 

[Moriarte]

You're missing the point entirely. What I was displaying was that I got 0 early world wonders that would have affected my ability to acquire pre-Renaissance policies. Yes, I used a GE to get a CN Tower out of boredom at the end of my game. Woop-dee-doo. It had 0 impact on my ability to acquire culture early on. I managed to Go Trad + Lib + Pat and still get full Rat + everything essential out of Order and Tradition was finished by Renaissance. That's one sick sequence if you ask me. If I could figure out how to record I would gladly do a VidLP.

Agreed, that's the best SP way for Poland. You need some rapid culture generation to finish tradition + lib. + consulates, but even if you can't find any, might skip patronage and still have full tradition + free settler, which is very strong. (and gets you to rationalism earlier)

I avoid playing Poland for now. This civ is crazy good