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Poll: the pyramids vs Sun Tzus art of war vs Lenardo's WS

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by Eukaryote, Sep 22, 2005.

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Which is the better wonder?

  1. The Pyramids

    43 vote(s)
    48.3%
  2. Sun Tzu's art of war

    14 vote(s)
    15.7%
  3. Lenardo's Workshop

    32 vote(s)
    36.0%
  1. Eukaryote

    Eukaryote Deity

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    Which of these do you like better?
    Please pretend that you are playing on Regent level.
     
  2. Pentium

    Pentium Digital Matter

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    Pyramids, absolutely.

    I only build them if I get a SGL, but I never build Sun Tzu's or Leo's
     
  3. Butcher_Bill

    Butcher_Bill Proud Praetorian

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    Bothe the Pyramids and Lenardo's WS, I must say :)
     
  4. Bungus

    Bungus Archont of Cootertown

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    Leo's is good. Probably saves more than the Collossus makes.
    But pyramids are much better
     
  5. Bobthefunkyfish

    Bobthefunkyfish Chieftain

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    Sun Tzu's, then Leo's, then Pyramids. Both are good, but the Pyramids are too early and one has better things to build, and the AI almost always beats you to it, plus the early growth could hamper you by having useless entertainers take care of the happiness problems you have with cities growing faster. It's usefullness appears later in the game. Sun Tzu's, on the other hand, provides a much better building, is at a stage in the game, where you're more likely to be able to devote time to it, and if you fail you might be able to cascade into Leo's, which is a very nice moneysaver. If you get both then you can immediately upgrade all your defenders and wage wars quite nicely
     
  6. josephstalin

    josephstalin Kremlin Highlander

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    yeah, pyramids come early but in panangea if you have them, you will never regret it. Leo is good, but sometimes you do not have SO much military to be a problem and Sun is absolutely wothless for me.
     
  7. garyg

    garyg Beer Snob

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    I voted for Sun Tzu's. I'd rather have barracks in each city than a granary later in the game. I only consider later in the game because I never build wonders, I only capture them. So by the time I capture the Pyramids they aren't so useful. If my neighbor builds Sun Tzu it's a pleasant surprise.
     
  8. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    Pyramids, I can easily build barracks in all my cities, but Leo's WS was a close second. ;)
     
  9. DBear

    DBear unbeliever

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    Leo's. The Pyramids makes grainaries, which you can build yourself. Sun Tzu makes barracks, which you can build yourself. There is NOTHING that will halve the cost of upgrades other than Leo's.
     
  10. strhopper

    strhopper Okie

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    leos.............love to upgrade those units at half price
     
  11. Gilder

    Gilder Deity

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    Sun Tzu's. I can never finish the Pyramids before the AI, and if I do, it's because I lucked out with an early SGL.
     
  12. gmaharriet

    gmaharriet Ancient Crone

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    Leo's. By the time Sun Tzu's becomes available, I already have barracks in most of my cities (probably too many of them), and I love the cheaper upgrades to keep my military current. I never bother with the Pyramids and usually only build a couple of granaries.
     
  13. Esox

    Esox In Search of Inspirado

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    The Pyramids can give you a huge edge in expansion. I love Leonardo's too, but if I had to pick one advantage it would be to get more settlers and workers.
     
  14. Twonky

    Twonky King

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    Voted Pyramids. The earlier you get them, the more valuable they are. But even in a later stage of the game I would prefer them. Leo´s and Sun Tzu basically increase your money only, although between the two, I would choose Sun Tzu.
     
  15. Choffy

    Choffy One more turn

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    Pyramid is the best -> More people sooner has a huge snowball effect. More people means more shields and more money. I never produce it, but it is the priority to capture

    Sun Tzu is also great for conquest. Once you capture the city, you leave your units for healing and reduce resistance. Within a turn they are ready to fight again. All your units stay on the battle front. You might rush build barracks but it is costly...

    Leo is good but when you have it, you have already upgraded your anciant aghe units (costly upgrade), the next upgrade is cheaper.
     
  16. Sybot

    Sybot Faceless Emperor

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    Pyramids are good if you're doing a builder strategy and so can get it before the AI.

    Sun Tzu's is good for a military guy who is building Barracks everywhere.

    Hence I voted Leos, as it benefits both an attacker's offensive units, and a builder's defensive units.
     
  17. vmxa

    vmxa Deity

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    I don't get any of them. I hear about Sun's before I can get into that age. If I was to play where I could get any of them, it woudl go for Sun's first then Leo.

    Well presuming it was either a contient or pangea, otherwise I would only go for Leo.

    I would like to get that free barracks as soon as I capture or build that frontline town. It would also save me having to move troops around to get upgraded and the maint for barracks.
     
  18. cleverhandle

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    It's pretty obvious that this poll will depend tremendously on how people like to play and on what level they play at. Pyramids are great, but you can never afford to build them on a reasonably high level without an SGL. Sun Tzu's is tremendous when you want a fast domination victory on a Pang map, but does little for builders. I voted Leo's just because it's the most flexible. Unless you're playing a 5CC or some other variant with minimal military, Leo's will save you thousands of gold over the course of the game. And that's great no matter how you play.
     
  19. Eukaryote

    Eukaryote Deity

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    My favourite is the pyramids. Love to watch my citys grow at twice the speed.
     
  20. Own

    Own Grasshoppah

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    It really depends. Leo's is good if you have horses that need to be upgraded. Otherwise pyr's are the best. Sun Tzu's sucks. 600 big ones for free raxes everywhere and two culture?
     

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