Preguntando se llega a Roma. A question for Germainc and Slavic language speakers

[luiz]

What?

Portuguese people, much like the cariocas (who are heavily portuguese), do indeed pronounce "Lishboa", that is, the "s" like a "x". People from São Paulo, Minas Gerais, the South and indeed most places in Brazil will say something like "Lizboa". Portuguese folks and cariocas also pronounce "luish" instead of "luiz".
There is also a tendency to pronounce "e" like "i", hence the "Mondeehgo" ("ee" in english sounds like "i" in portuguese). You people do talk funny.

 

[Dachs]

Look at my post before Dachs.

Merry Christmas.

If anything, Russians are protestent Central Europeans with viking origins. But this is barely true.

But that has even less of a connection to reality than what we've been putting up.

 

[Agent327]

Latin for nose is Nasus, not Nasa. It is masculine in Latin, so it makes sense that the romance language would be the one to preserve the gender.

Nostril (Naris) on the other hand, is a feminine, and when plural it is often use to refer to the whole nose.

Said rune was used in the English alphabet well into modern times (although its use has been in decline since Norman invasion)

Publius Ovidius Naso should've given me a clue... damn those Latin inclinations!

Didn't know about the runes... thx!

The Germanic words for nose are conjugates, not bastardizations or descendants, of nasus; even the Sanskrit word for nose is nāsā (which is masculine iirc).

So the Indogermanic root is quite similar... Wow, didn't know that either. (But does Latin have Indogermanic roots?)

My girlfriend and I seem to have an easy time adepting each others languages. She's Swedish and I'm Dutch and I can pretty much read their newspapers and get what it's about. Sure, I can't read every single thing, but with some extrapolating I do just fine. She on the other hand has an easier time with Dutch, if only because a lot of our language is very much like English once notice it.

Dutch is very much like English? Then why do so many Dutchmen botch up their English? Perhaps from a Swedish perspective Dutch is quite like English, but certainly not from a Dutch perspective, I'd say.

 

[kulade]

(But does Latin have Indogermanic roots?)

Yes, absolutely, but they are of course usually referred to as Indoeuropean rather than Indogermanic nowadays.

 

[Winner]

So, yes, then?

So, we came from the same proto-ethnic group which formed somewhre in Eastern Poland/Belarus/Northern Ukraine thousands of years ago. When the Slavs started settling other regions, they split into three groups, and that was roughly 1500 years ago, which is (roughly) the same time Britain was being settled by Germanic tribes from present day Netherlands, Northern Germany and Denmark. The three groups of Slavs were then developing in a completely different environment.

When Germanic/Romance speaking people refer to us as "basically Russians", they couldn't be more ignorant if they tried.

 

[Agent327]

Yes, absolutely, but they are of course usually referred to as Indoeuropean rather than Indogermanic nowadays.

Ofcourse.

 

[Dachs]

So, we came from the same proto-ethnic group which formed somewhre in Eastern Poland/Belarus/Northern Ukraine thousands of years ago. When the Slavs started settling other regions, they split into three groups, and that was roughly 1500 years ago, which is (roughly) the same time Britain was being settled by Germanic tribes from present day Netherlands, Northern Germany and Denmark. The three groups of Slavs were then developing in a completely different environment.

When Germanic/Romance speaking people reffer to us as "basically Russians", they couldn't be more ignorant if they tried.

 

[Winner]

Because I am a Slav, we're always dead serious

 

[Mirc]

So the Indogermanic root is quite similar... Wow, didn't know that either. (But does Latin have Indogermanic roots?)

I noticed that in German "Indo-European" is called Indogermanic, which I found rather funny, in a cool way. Yes, as others said in this thread, Latin of course has similar origins, but the interesting fact about this name is that it's even more wrong than it seems at first sight, since strangely in Germanic languages actually almost 30% of the vocabulary of has non-Indo-European origins! Which is very, very weird, and for which so far there's no reasonable explanation, or rather, there are many educated guesses which seem equally plausible but contradict themselves... So basically we don't know how it happened, but it did.

There's an interesting insight here, although very limited, compared to some studies I've seen a while ago that I can't find anymore. Main flaw is that there's no article on the actual non-IE words in Germanic languages, this one simply concentrating on a theory, one which might (and IMHO is) not the best one out there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Indo-European_roots_of_Germanic_languages

 

[MagisterCultuum]

It seems like most Indo-European Languages are thought to have non-indo-european substrates. The oldest forms of Greek are completely non-indo-european, but newer forms do fit into the family. I think that the oldest forms of Latin are still considered Indo-european, but it has a lot of influence form Greek and from the non-indo-european Etruscan tounge.