Prophets

[HannibalBarka]

The 3 main monotheistic religion share a lot of staff, the Old testament mainly (for the one that do not know, a big part of the Koran tells the same stories as the OT). The OT talk about a lot of prophets but most of them if not all are from the Middle East. How come none of the prophets is Chinese, Indian, Bantou, Aborigene, Papou, Sioux, Inuit, Celt, Greek ... ? how can this be fair ? How God was expecting these guys (90% of the humanity) will hear about him when he sent all the prophets to same small area?

 

[Xen]

well, its kinda because those scriptures were made in a relitivlly backwater country at the time, and where a good deal of those peoples were unkown to exist, compounded by the fact they didnt share the same belife system as the archaic hebrews did. when you look at a map, it becomes rather self explainitory

 

[Qitai]

Unknown to the west perhaps. But unknown to God?!!!

 

[Stapel]

Simple answer, The Bible and the Koran were both made up by people from the middle east!

 

[Xen]

hmmm...using that logic, I think the case for montheistic religion ends righ there

though I suppose it really depends on your point of veiw- I'm sure the monotheists will come up with an argument hinging upon the israleites being "Gods' choosen people, and as such the rest of the world the not being ready for the "holy scripture" until it, and the covenant was more or tried, testest, and mother approved byt he isralites, and on the other hand the atheist will be sure to this as just "another building block upon the case of there being no god", and then the agnostic will say "so? what, dosent prove a damn thing "

well, franklly, considering that all these thing have a hint of truth to them, I'll just go and take my own polytheistic doctrine else where- the threads ONLY intention in the first place was to cause montheistic-atheist strife, and anyone who cant see that is a fool, at least in my opinion, on this matter

 

[Stapel]

Take it is easy Xen .

If this makes you feel better: I find believing in one god is just as ridiculous as believing in 100 gods or 100 gods

 

[Xen]

its your choice to make- bu tin my opinion, your making your self just as blind to reality as being a conservative chrstian- helllol, the modern atheist movement, and the way you guys act is similer enough ti early christianity- and you seem even more willing to fight over the matter.

I'm just tired of ALL the differnt pokes and prods, the antagonizing, and provoking, the threads which are little more then a set stage for inter-personal disputes that are more akin to a modern form of dueling then a real argument- and this thread seems only to be a breeding ground for more such trouble

 

[Xen]

an dyes, I know that in saying such things that I have taken the chance of starting yet ANOTHER such cycle of events- but I feel it needs to be said

 

[Stapel]

Originally posted by Xen
its your choice to make- bu tin my opinion, your making your self just as blind to reality as being a conservative chrstian- helllol, the modern atheist movement, and the way you guys act is similer enough ti early christianity- and you seem even more willing to fight over the matter.

I can see your point. But I would like to say I am not blind on the matter. I have been searching for a "spiritual explination" for quite some time. I have kept my eyes open, have read, talked and discussed about various religions. In the end I have simply drawn a conclusion:

Not one single piece of evidence, not even a small clue, noting, niente, nada. It's simply not there! Does that make me blind?

 

[floppa21]

Originally posted by HannibalBarka
How come none of the prophets is Chinese, Indian, Bantou, Aborigene, Papou, Sioux, Inuit, Celt, Greek ... ? how can this be fair ? How God was expecting these guys (90% of the humanity) will hear about him when he sent all the prophets to same small area?

The prophecies were prophesied to come down to certain peoples and so they did.

Whether you believe in the Bible or not, whether you are religous or not, the Bible as a book gives predictions supposedly written years and years in advance and then these predictions are fulfilled. Jesus came to the Jews and lived in Nazareth. Predicted and true according to the Bible.

So if Jesus was PREDICTED to come to the JEWS, well, that explains it. Jesus did not appear at Mt. Vesuvius, he appeared at Mt. Sinai. Jesus did not have followers named Sitting Bull and Red Cloud and Crazy Horse, they were Matthew, Mark, and John.

Same reasoning as to why Papa Legba does not come into the Bible. A different culture and a different religion.

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Stapel


I can see your point. But I would like to say I am not blind on the matter. I have been searching for a "spiritual explination" for quite some time. I have kept my eyes open, have read, talked and discussed about various religions. In the end I have simply drawn a conclusion:

Not one single piece of evidence, not even a small clue, noting, niente, nada. It's simply not there! Does that make me blind?

depends on what, and who have studied- but i think that you have ended your search before it could have truelly began

 

[floppa21]

I apologize for interrupting your conversation, please continue.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Of course, when people ask why there are no zimbabuans or new guineans in the Bible a fundy will tell you that the bible was written by the people of the Middle East, who interpreted God's message relative to their own lives. Now if you ask if the Bible was written by humans, prone to mistakes and inaccuracies, then is the Bible Universal or Absolute?

 

[Smidlee]

Originally posted by HannibalBarka
The 3 main monotheistic religion share a lot of staff, the Old testament mainly (for the one that do not know, a big part of the Koran tells the same stories as the OT). The OT talk about a lot of prophets but most of them if not all are from the Middle East. How come none of the prophets is Chinese, Indian, Bantou, Aborigene, Papou, Sioux, Inuit, Celt, Greek ... ? how can this be fair ? How God was expecting these guys (90% of the humanity) will hear about him when he sent all the prophets to same small area?

the answer is very simple . that land is called Middle East for a reason .( the East part of the name is because of America ) the Jews was to represent God to the whole world and God put the Jews in the MIDDLE of the known world (at that time) to be a nation of Priests(Isreal).the Middle East connects three continents :Asia , Europe , Africa. The church was told to do the opposide of the Jews " to go to every part of the world" while the Jews was to stay in one place.

 

[smalltalk]

Well, Moses led the people to the promised land. They were wandering through the desert for thirty years, enduring many hardships - just to find themselves in the only place in the region where there is no oil.

So much for the prophets.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

The Jews were not in the middle of the known world. They were off to the side. In fact they were pretty close to being off the map. You're talking about "Western" civilization? The center of THAT known world was Rome. The known world as we knew it then centered around the Mediterranean. In the very middle, Rome, the supposed epitome of civilization. Scattered around it, inferior civilizations like the Carthaginians, or civilizations that had passed their prime and become overshadowed by the Empire, like the Greeks, the Egyptians, and the Persians. And at the very periphery, the conquered barbarians: the Gauls, the Celts, the Iberians, the Vandals, the Huns, the Goths, the Hittites, and the Israelite tribes.

The converts of Christ did not "go into every part of the world". They did not head south into Sahara to convert the African tribes. They did not go east into Iran and India. They did not cross the Caucasus Mountains northwards into Georgia and Russia. They went WEST, in other words they went TOWARDS REAL CIVILIZATION, and they preached in the cities of Greece and the Roman Empire.

Just correcting a few misunderstandings

 

[bobgote]

Originally posted by Xen
its your choice to make- bu tin my opinion, your making your self just as blind to reality as being a conservative chrstian- helllol, the modern atheist movement, and the way you guys act is similer enough ti early christianity- and you seem even more willing to fight over the matter.

I'm just tired of ALL the differnt pokes and prods, the antagonizing, and provoking, the threads which are little more then a set stage for inter-personal disputes that are more akin to a modern form of dueling then a real argument- and this thread seems only to be a breeding ground for more such trouble

I reckon.

Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
The Jews were not in the middle of the known world. They were off to the side. In fact they were pretty close to being off the map. You're talking about "Western" civilization? The center of THAT known world was Rome. The known world as we knew it then centered around the Mediterranean. In the very middle, Rome, the supposed epitome of civilization. Scattered around it, inferior civilizations like the Carthaginians, or civilizations that had passed their prime and become overshadowed by the Empire, like the Greeks, the Egyptians, and the Persians. And at the very periphery, the conquered barbarians: the Gauls, the Celts, the Iberians, the Vandals, the Huns, the Goths, the Hittites, and the Israelite tribes.

Well OT times, wasn't it egypt, babylon, persian kinda civilisations? which would put them in the middle.

What floppa said is about right i think. different religion/culture.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

In OT they were in the middle. But the important time is Christ's life. Because the Jews were sedentary, it was only Christ's word that travelled. It would have made a whole lot more sense to have Jesus born in Rome instead of off the map in some barbarian mud-hut village [of course the Bible glorifies Israel. They WERE more civilized than their immediate neighbors. Boy is that saying something]. Another interesting thing is that Christianity relocated TO Rome as soon as possible [after Christ, who was antiRoman, died]. It was gravitational pull. It's so much easier to govern from the center than the fringes.

 

[Ribannah]

Actually much of the Babylonian religion was incorporated into the Christian and Moslim religions, some of the prophets came from Persia, etc.

 

[Shadylookin]

well i imagine most of the prophets came from the middle east because that was the most populated place at the time(or so i think) had jesus been sent to north america who would he haved talked to the 50 people in an indian tribe