Proposed Amendment to Articles D and E

[Black_Hole]

nope, I dont want to merge the strategic and tactical layers

 

[Strider]

This seems to be moving closer and closer to my overall plan, and it even incorporates acouple of my ideas. However, it's not a drastic enough change. So I vote No.

 

[Provolution]

This poll is interesting, now that it shows that some of the strongest proponents for the polar opposites (Traditional and Alternative) are voting together against this compromise proposal. These do not want a compromise, as is very evident from the last 3 months, but a clear win for their faction. Now, this proves that building some bridges and solving some practical issues is more important to most people here as opposed to personal persecution, egotistical triumph or general one-sided unconditional win to an idea.Most good laws stem from compromise, this is a compromise much superior to what is else on the table, so vote for it.

 

[Black_Hole]

This poll is interesting, now that it shows that some of the strongest proponents for the polar opposites (Traditional and Alternative) are voting together against this compromise proposal. These do not want a compromise, as is very evident from the last 3 months, but a clear win for their faction. Now, this proves that building some bridges and solving some practical issues is more important to most people here as opposed to personal persecution, egotistical triumph or general one-sided unconditional win to an idea.Most good laws stem from compromise, this is a compromise much superior to what is else on the table, so vote for it.

its really not a compromise, its the traditional governemnt + the words long term in some places, the whole idea was to seperate short term and long term

 

[Provolution]

It is indeed Alternate. If it was traditional, Strider et al would vote for it.
The big difference is in how the departments are redefined by function , not F buttons.
The President mitigates the tactical level by balancing out commerce, where strategy is done by the consuls and to some extent tactical. Next natural step would be to develop the Deputy functions along similar lines.

 

[Curufinwe]

While it is not what Iwant, it is above the status quo. Therefore I vote in favour.

 

[Provolution]

Seems like a landslide victory to the moderate center, where the radical wings seem short changed.

 

[Strider]

The Formation of Provinces were left out, and I just found that after doing a quick scroll over it. I don't have time to read through the entire thing, but I'm sure there is something else that's been forgotten about also.

I vote no untill these things are fixed.

 

[Provolution]

There are even more things left out in the existing articles. This proposal is somewhat unfinished, but much superior to the rest that is out there.

 

[Strider]

There are even more things left out in the existing articles. This proposal is somewhat unfinished, but much superior to the rest that is out there.

Nope, the current articles don't leave out anything. I made sure of that by pointing at almost everything they did leave out. Now, the changes made recently did leave out multiple things, as does this proposal. Likely because I was to busy working on my own changes to look these over.

 

[Provolution]

The current articles are vague and ambigious, so of course they do not leave out anything, since they can mean anything.

 

[Strider]

The current articles are vague and ambigious, so of course they do not leave out anything, since they can mean anything.

Somethings are better left vague; otherwise you lose interest.

IE: 'Consul of External Policy' there isn't really a need to list all of the differant types of treaties in the game. Also "diplomatic missions" and "creation of embassies" are pratically the same thing. There both done under the Diplomacy section of the Espionage screen.

I would also like to know why R&T handles movement of the science slider and Culture handles the luxery slider. What if these two instructions/plans come into conflict with eachother? Also, techincally the instructions of both Culture and R&T will determine the tax slider, but there is nothing said about it.

 

[RoboPig]

i accidentally voted on the wrong option, could a moderator change my vote from yes to no

 

[DaveShack]

The Formation of Provinces were left out, and I just found that after doing a quick scroll over it. I don't have time to read through the entire thing, but I'm sure there is something else that's been forgotten about also.

I vote no untill these things are fixed.

This change does not handle provincial borders because it is not a responsibility of any of the offices affected by this amendment. Province creation is in the Domestic Consul area, and was modified by the other articles D-E amendment.

 

[Strider]

This change does not handle provincial borders because it is not a responsibility of any of the offices affected by this amendment. Province creation is in the Domestic Consul area, and was modified by the other articles D-E amendment.

It was left out in there also. It was under the orginal Office of Expansion poistion, but wasn't moved elsewhere when that was deleted.

 

[DaveShack]

It was left out in there also. It was under the orginal Office of Expansion poistion, but wasn't moved elsewhere when that was deleted.

Hmm -- guess that was a cut & paste error.

So impressive how everyone caught it then... we can debate whether it is a transcription error and can be updated without another poll, or one of us can open another amendment.

 

[Strider]

Hmm -- guess that was a cut & paste error.

So impressive how everyone caught it then... we can debate whether it is a transcription error and can be updated without another poll, or one of us can open another amendment.

I wouldn't have any problems if a mysterous and unknown "change" were to happen to the proposed articles.

If this "change" were to happen, I will have to request the moderators change my vote from no to yes.

 

[Furiey]

If this is the other D & E amendment then it says this for Domestic

3. Consul for Domestic Policy - Oversees long term
settlement, long term worker plans, and long term city
development objectives. Plans government switches.
Decides on where to settle with
settlers. Oversees the
creation of provincal boundaries. Controls movement of
settlers, escorts, and settler carrying transports.
Plans switching the economy between normal and mobilized.​

 

[DaveShack]

I knew it should be there -- then Strider saying it was not somehow convinced me to not see it -- I kid you not!

Then I go into the "constitution C-E" thread to start writing a minor amendment mock poll to add it back in, and when I go to cut & paste the new text from the old poll to the old text for the new poll -- there it is in all its glory.

Thanks for correcting our eyesight.

 

[Strider]

I knew it should be there -- then Strider saying it was not somehow convinced me to not see it -- I kid you not!

Then I go into the "constitution C-E" thread to start writing a minor amendment mock poll to add it back in, and when I go to cut & paste the new text from the old poll to the old text for the new poll -- there it is in all its glory.

Thanks for correcting our eyesight.

heh, weird thing about that was I actually looked at that poll beforehand.