Public Investigation #6: Chat Poll Ignored (guilty/unguilty)

[Shaitan]

Actually, as I think about it, closing the case isn't a bad precedent at all. In a jury trial a unanimous vote is required in order to convict or acquit. Anything else is a hung jury. In a judicial trial, a majority is required. If a majority does not convict then the defendant is acquitted. We're obviously not functioning as a jury trial as we do not require a unanimous decision either way. As a judicial trial, this result would be an acquittal.

 

[Cyc]

See last post, previous page.

 

[Eklektikos]

Cyc et all: I placed that last vote, not having noticed the close date of the poll. As leader of the the Polling Standards Commision I should be ashamed! I shall ask Duke to delete my vote or move it to "Abstain" where it can do no harm.

 

[Cyc]

The closing date/time on the poll was misleading as 4 days would have been Tuesday and he also called for Monday. So, I don't think it really matters. Let's just put the poll on the ground and back away, slowly....

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Rain
This being my last post in this silly enterprise - i'll just point out once again that this is no longer seems even to be an imitation os a serious proceeeding but is simply as someone else described it - a popularity contest. Now that the War-Church is scrounging up votes for Donsig - (we have no parties) i expect the whole proceeding to be overturned. Well its good to see the spirit of OJ has found a home.

The War Church is not exactly active anymore. I'm speaking fr my own capacity, having known donsig for a long time (almost a yr now) on these boards and I'll vouch for him. As is the same with joespaniel I expect.

Do not equate me with OJ or that nonsense which I find to be extremely offensive.

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I just wanted all my old friends in the War Church to know that I haven't forgotten them now that I'm president!

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Brother donsig, just wish to let you know you'll have the full might of the War Church behind you all the way.

Those posts and remarks are made in fun. The War Church has been inactive thru out donsig's entire Presidency. If you wish it, I will disband it now officially.

I wish you all the best in whatever pleasure you derive from this curious enterprise.

Deriving pleasure?

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by eyrei


Yes. You are right. But since he did stop the game, he did not violate the spot vote.

Still persistant, huh?

This has been hotly debated in the past week (strange how 4 votes poped up in the last few hours when there was no activity for a day. dis and rain might be right....) The constitution says that the vote must be acted on in that turn chat. Stopping the game (that's not the issue here) meant the vote WASN'T CARRIED OUT ON THAT DAY.

 

[Chieftess]

*looks at the viscious thread*

Fine, anyone for a revote?

Miami-Dade County would be proud.
*orders some butterfly ballots*

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Chieftess


Still persistant, huh?

Always.

The constitution says that the vote must be acted on in that turn chat. Stopping the game (that's not the issue here) meant the vote WASN'T CARRIED OUT ON THAT DAY.

What difference does it make if the turn was played on that day or the next? This is a very strict interpretation of the constitution(and still only an interpretation). Rain's crime was potentially more severe than Donsig's, yet when I "slapped her around with the constitution" (this phrase should definately be included in Phoenatican quote books), everyone who was currently calling for the blood of our president decided to loosly interpret the constitution. Do not speak to me of hyprocrisy and popularity contests and political parties (wasn't the spice traders guild investigated recently) and conspiracies. Those who attempted to impeach our president are just as guilty as anyone else.

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Chieftess
The constitution says that the vote must be acted on in that turn chat.

Just a clarifier here. The Constitution does not say that the vote must be acted on in that turn chat. It says the vote must be tallied (completed) immediately. That is the voting/polling process, not the action approved by the voting/polling process. This specification of immediate poll tallies is to differentiate it with the 48 hour requirement for Forum polls.

 

[Shaitan]

Sorry, Cyc. I couldn't stop myself.

 

[Cyc]

If you children don't behave I'm going to send you to your rooms with no more voting.....

 

[Chieftess]

Maybe we need to define the word "completed" now?

I took it to mean acted upon.

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Chieftess
Maybe we need to define the word "completed" now?

I took it to mean acted upon.

Completed - Having come to an end; concluded.

No acting upon at all.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

OK. All the votes for this poll are being checked. Luckily it's a handy new feature of the forum upgrade. I'm going to be checking IP address' and names for people who voted that don't normally participate in the game.

Unfortunately, since I am very short on time lately, it will take some time to do.

Now, to end all this.

donsig is not being impeached, but this is his first and last warning coming from me. He should not have called the vote even if he thought it would come out differently if he felt it was a major turning point in the game. He should have stopped the game right then and there.

The meaning I got from reading older threads behind the constitution update for the 'completed' part was that the vote would be counted then and there. It seemed to basically be meant to show that the vote wouldn't have the time delay that the normal forum votes had.

If donsig had continued playing the game and not followed the result of the vote, it would be an impeachment.

If anyone would like to discuss this further, please PM me.

As a side note, even though it may take some time, I will find out if people are stuffing the polls. If anyone wishes to come forward and save me lots of time to have to check all this out, I will take that into account when I decide what to do to anyone possibly involved in this.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

The initial attempt to look for any new accounts that occurred around the first suspected poll discrepancies that could have been created by a member of the Democracy game did not provide any viable leads.

TF has said that the forum method of checking who voted in which polls (it checks every poll in all the forums, not just one) could be detrimental to the forums system resources. So, he would prefer to not risk crashing the forum to check on the polls.

Therefore, I am unable to confirm or deny any claims of the polls being tampered with.

Unless other evidence is found later, such as, a name logged in that leads to someone, or the polls being checked through the forum, the matter is considered closed.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

DoM