Quick Question- Celtic, Gallic Warrior, Dun, Guerilla I

[Jperkinson]

Playing as Boudica, I have a city with a Dun (civ specific walls), and a barracks. That gives my new land units +3xp (barracks), +Combat I (Ag), and SHOULD give them Guerrilla I. However, when I built a warrior in that city. It did not have Guerrilla I. (once I got iron working and built the Gallic warrior, it came with Guerrilla I.... but then again, it is supposed to(unit ability)). I'm concerned that the Dun is a do nothing special building. Shouldn't I get Guerrilla I for all my new land units built in that city?

I guess the confusion is that the little booklet from Anion says that Guerrilla I is only for Recon, Gunpowder and Archery units. While the entry for Dun says all land units.

-I'm working off memory from last nights game, so i'll have to check back tonight if i'm missing anything.

Thanks

 

[Ammar]

I guess the confusion is that the little booklet from Anion says that Guerrilla I is only for Recon, Gunpowder and Archery units. While the entry for Dun says all land units.

IIRC it does give the promotion only to units that are eligible for the Guerilla promotion, meaning the types you mentioned.

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

Playing as Boudica, I have a city with a Dun (civ specific walls), and a barracks. That gives my new land units +3xp (barracks), +Combat I (Ag), and SHOULD give them Guerrilla I. However, when I built a warrior in that city. It did not have Guerrilla I. (once I got iron working and built the Gallic warrior, it came with Guerrilla I.... but then again, it is supposed to(unit ability)). I'm concerned that the Dun is a do nothing special building. Shouldn't I get Guerrilla I for all my new land units built in that city?

I guess the confusion is that the little booklet from Anion says that Guerrilla I is only for Recon, Gunpowder and Archery units. While the entry for Dun says all land units.

-I'm working off memory from last nights game, so i'll have to check back tonight if i'm missing anything.

Thanks

Having played against the Celts on many occassions, I support your ascertion that something is wrong with the pedia entry for the Dun. The pedia entry only states that the Dun provides Gorilla I to new units. It's a vague statement, but most people would infer that it meant all new land units.

However, I have only seen Archers and Scouts and Explorers so far with the Gorilla I freebie. Other than that, it's been Celtic warriors with Gorilla I from their UU stat.

 

[Jperkinson]

However, I have only seen Archers and Scouts and Explorers so far with the Gorilla I freebie. Other than that, it's been Celtic warriors with Gorilla I from their UU stat.

So then, the special feature of the galleic warrior is that it comes with Guerilla I, a promotion that other melee units can't normally obtain?

Does that mean I can't upgrade them to Guerilla II?

 

[Scaphism]

So then, the special feature of the galleic warrior is that it comes with Guerilla I, a promotion that other melee units can't normally obtain?

Does that mean I can't upgrade them to Guerilla II?

AFAIK that's how it works. Gallic Warriors are the only melee unit eligible for Guerilla promotions since they start with Guerilla 1.

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

AFAIK that's how it works. Gallic Warriors are the only melee unit eligible for Guerilla promotions since they start with Guerilla 1.

I am pretty sure that I have been attacked by Gallic Warriors with Guerilla II. I'll have to run up a test to double check. Easiest thing to do would be to go into world builder, build a gallic warrior, then put enough xp to afford you the guerilla II promo if possible, and see if you can do it. I'm at work, otherwise I'd have done this.

 

[Scaphism]

I am pretty sure that I have been attacked by Gallic Warriors with Guerilla II. I'll have to run up a test to double check. Easiest thing to do would be to go into world builder, build a gallic warrior, then put enough xp to afford you the guerilla II promo if possible, and see if you can do it. I'm at work, otherwise I'd have done this.

That should work without any problem. I suspect the way it works is that melee units cannot choose the guerilla 1 promotion, but if they do have it for some reason (inherent to the unit) then they can promote along the Guerilla line.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Guerilla 2 or 3 is available to Everyone

Guerilla 1 is a vailable for Archery, Recon, Gunpowder, and the Gallic Warrior

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

Guerilla 2 or 3 is available to Everyone

Guerilla 1 is a vailable for Archery, Recon, Gunpowder, and the Gallic Warrior

Sounds right to me...another reason why the Celts are up there with Monte in terms of enemy number one

 

[Seras]

started my first ever game as the celts this afternoon.....and the very first thing i realized was they have the most useless UB and UU in the game.

 

[Elandal]

While I agree that Dun isn't very hot as UBs go, Gallic Warrior is fine. I consider it's reduced resource requirement (copper or iron instead of requiring iron) to be quite big change, and remember that Guerilla 3 gives 50% withdraw chance.

 

[Polycrates]

From loooooong experience with playing Brennus:
Gallic gets Guerrilla I to start with, and can promote up to Guerrilla II and III
Dun gives Guerrilla I to archers, longbows and crossbows, all of whom can promote to Guerrilla II and III; and to scouts and explorers (who can take GII but maybe not GIII, I've never tried).

I also think the Gallic is a quite decent UU. The resource requirement change is great, and it means that you can build a few of them in time for a regular early axe rush. Gives the rush a lot more oomph, and much more momentum.

Other than that, the big thing about the dun and GW is that it lets you take Guerrilla II straight off the bat (for a few selected units). This gives a quite considerable speed boost (not just on highlands), and it makes hills in enemy territory as tough as a city. This can shield your main stack, or (my favourite) you can have a couple of small forces of fast irregulars disrupting and pillaging and striking far-off fledgling cities etc while the main force plods along behind. It also makes hilltop cities very easy to hold.

Guerrilla III is also only 1XP away, and is great for taking and holding enemy hilltop copper/iron etc with your disrupting irregulars. Also good for hilltop city attacks (GIII crossbows are particularly nice).

The dun is not a great UB by any means, but there is a good synergy with the Gallic since it gives a fast (and tough) combined-arms force. Celtic uniques get a really bum rap, but if you experiment with them you might find that they're actually much better than they get credit for.

 

[King of Town]

I thinik it is just because most people aren't used to giving their units the woodsman/guerilla promotions, and so they don't think they are any good. Most people build units only for taking cities, and don't consider how much easier a war would be if you could rush in a couple G3 gallic's to sit on the enemies hilltoop iron, sheep,gems,etc. while you war with them. There is no better early unit to play king of the hill with that the Gallic. I would be pissed if the AI were smart enough to sit one on top of my only iron source as he waged war against me.

 

[Scaphism]

Yeah I think it gets a bum rap too because people want a free promo that's useful for every unit they produce.

Guerilla lets you send in a specialized set of units to do a specialized job. It's unfortunate that the UB is only good when defedning or attacking hilltop spaces - most UBs have longer-term effects. But when it's good, it's great.

As both Celtic leaders are charismatic it should be possible to make a small force of highly promoted Guerilla 3 units. They're almost guaranteed to arrive 1 or more turns faster than non-guerilla units and even better, they are melee units that can withdraw(!). When they promote they don't lose their withdrawal chance either.

The Guerilla 3 and Woodsman 3 promotions really made those lines a lot more worthwhile.

 

[King of Town]

I agree man I love the G3 and W3 promotions. You get the attack bonus, withdrawl chances, good stuff. You can make life for the rest of your units so much easier with a few specialized units.