Random question: What's wrong with "Neo-Imperialism"?

What is your opinion on Neo Imperialism?

  • Neo-Imperialism doesn't exist. Same thing, different year.

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Neo-Imperialism isn't as bad as Imperialism was, but it is still wrong for various reasons. (Please

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Neo-Imperialistic occupation can be a positive influence in the development of a country if colonial

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Why settle for Neo-Imperialism? The old stuff works just fine.

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

Sh3kel

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A new term that has been popping up a lot lately is the term of "neo-imperialism". What is this neo-imperialism thing?
Well first of all the prefix "neo" indicates something new, and it is used to distinguish from two similar terms that are different chronologicaly speaking. "Neo-imperialism" is different from regular "imperialism" in chronology - but not just.

There can be little doubt regular, old-style imperialism is bad. It brought with it exploitation and humiliation as well as a couple of diseases previously unknown to the natives, which in turn retaliated by giving the imperialist invaders a bunch of diseases of their own. Imperialism was bad because only one side truly benefited from the relationship, and that was usually the side with the bigger guns. Examples of old imperialism are plentyful - Spain's colonies in Latin America, England's colonies that were scattered around the globe, France's colonies and even the Danish colony of Greenland. Old Imperialism lead to the death of millions by an invading nation that didn't care for the life of the citizens of its colonies and cared even less for its culture.

Now a new time has arisen. After the First World War, when Imperialism began to crumble under the iron boot of Nationalism, there was a transition period. From 1918 to 1933 radical elements took power of three major nations in Europe (Germany, Spain, Italy) and a rather radical Emperor emerged in Japan. I'm fairly certain I don't have to elaborate on World war 2. It was a horrible time which led to a slightly less horrible but nonetheless scary war, the cold war.
You can sum up the cold war in one word: MADness, both in the sense of being an insane time and a time of "Mutually Assured Destruction" tactics.
After the fall of one of the two superpowers, we can start saying the age of "Neo-Imperialism" began. When you have two superpowers, their influences are cancelled with each other and thus you have a stalemate. I will assume this is true for every case of every even number, since it would seem reasonable for an equal number of nations to neutralize another equal number. In an age in which only an odd number of superpowers exist, such as today with the United States, visions of a great empire can begin. Thus we can begin considering the 1991 Gulf war as the first campaign in the age of "Neo-imperialism".

The question presented now is this:
Is "Neo-imperialism" is really that bad? Old imperialism was brought forth with only one purpose and goal: Money. Wars were fought over maritime trade routes (Pirates and Privateers), nations were overrun for rare minerals and "luxury" items such as silk and spices and a lot of people from both sides died. Old imperialism regarded the imperialist to be more important than the colony-man, thus a British soldier in India was "worth" the lives of many Hindus.

Neo-imperialism is different. The last war in Iraq can be considered an imperialist campaign by many - it was after all for oil, no? EVen if it was only for the materialistic reason of petroleum, which is highly unlikely on its own right, this war was set aside by the fact the coalition army went to painstaking steps to minimize casualties - both military and civilian. The war in Iraq demonstrated the "neo-imperialist" army to be respectful and as less intrusive as possible with every day life, an army with one goal to achieve (a protectorate over Iraq) that doesn't resort to public executions and control through fear. Is this form of imperialism, the "neo-imperialism", as bad as its predecessor? Can an occupying force that bring forth part of its own values and culture into a country is occupies be a positive influence, and not just a recipe for a massacre or a revolution?
 
Neo-Imperialism is much worse than original imperialism. Just because original one has gone
 
The similarities between old imperialism and neo-imperialism.

Both:

(1) CONTROL: Powerful country controlling a poor country.


(2) PURPOSE: Motivation primarily materialism and money.


(3) JUSTIFICATION: Reasons put forward include protection of resources, trade, strategic assets, perceived defensive purposes or just to thwart rival imperialisms. Occasionally supported by claims that the strong country was just helping the weak country out or liberating it from nasty native despots.


(4) QUISLINGS: Powerful country would seek cooperation from client kings; local leaders to (a) split the controlled country into collaborators and others; (b) minimise the number of troops required.


(5) ELIMINATING RIVALS: Economic rivals to powerful country whether in ideology, manufacturing, or trade would be ruthlessly suppressed.


(6) DEMOCRACY: Democracy in controlled country usually resisted by powerful country; sometimes by oppression; sometimes by being ignored; sometimes by subversion.


(7) PLUNDERING: The controlling country would acquire rights to land, mineral resources etc sometimes by blatant seizure sometimes by forced sale and nominal purchase; but never at market rate.


(8) RACISM: Justification that controlled country 's people were backward.


(9) EXCLUSION: The controlling country would regard the
controlled country as its wider Property. This might be regarded as "New Territories, Empire or Our Back Yard".


(10) LAWS: The controlling country would selectively impose its laws.

(11) RALLYING CRIES: In the Name of Allah, His Most Catholic Majesty, for St George, our Manifest Destiny, the Empereror, Liebenstraum, Scientific Socialism, the Free Market, Human Rights.


The differences between old imperialism and neo-imperialism.

(1) GOVERNOR/AMBASSADOR

Under old imperialism; a governor was appointed
and a small staff was sent to the controlled country.

Under neo-imperialism; an ambassador is appointed
and various committees are set up to keep controlled
country in line using covert intelligence/operations.


(2) NAME: Under old imperialism, the country was labelled with prefix: British, Dutch, French, Japanese, Portugese, Spanish etc.

Under neo-imperialism; the country is not relabelled with
such a prefix; so everyone can pretend it is independent.


(3) SYMBOLS: Under old imperialism; the controlling power flew its national flag in the controlled country; but respected native traditions providing that they were not a problem.

Under neo imperialism; the controlling country let's the controlled country keep its own flag; but insists that factions within the controlling country can fly their flags and signs e.g. McDonalds M
and frequently ignores or undermines native traditions.


(4) CITIZENSHIP: Under old imperialism; the people in the occupied countries were often granted citizenship of the controlling power and could (if they had the money/political credentials) freely move between the controlling power and their controlled country.

Under neo-imprialism; there is no shared citizenship.


(5) UPRISINGS: Under old imperialism; cavalry and gunboats kept the occupants of the controlled country in line.

Under new imperialism; commissars, secret police, bribery and/or
air force bombers keep the controlled country in line.


(6) LANGUAGE:

Under old imperialism; the controlling country would often
impose its own language as the official language and sometimes suppress native languages with extreme cruelty.

Under neo-imperialism; the controlled country's primary language would be ignored and the controlling country's language would be imposed as the de fact second language and for all discussions with the controlling power.


(7) HONESTY:

Old imperialists admitted that they were imperialists.

Neo imperialists develop tortuous logic and ignore facts to
deny that they are imperialists.


(8) JUSTICE:

Old imperialists considered that they had the right and the duty to apply justice.

Neo-imperialists recognised no such responsibility.


(9) TAXATION

Old imperialists called it taxation.

Neo imperialists call it IPR etc.


Examples of old imperialism:

Rome, Alexandrian Empire, Arabia, Ottoman Turks, Spain, Britain, Portugal, Netherlands, France, Nazi Germany, Imperial China, Tsarist Russia, Japan, Italy.

Examples of new imperialism:

Communist China, Soviet Russia, Vietnam, USA, Belgian Empire
 
*watches people with Che Guavera avatars lick their chops at this thread*

I just have this feeling that a hate-fest for the "imperialist America" and "emporer Bush" will erupt here.
 
I'd like to hear your views on the matter, rmsharpe. I'd also be interested in knowing what the unholy one (Simon Darkshade) thinks.
 
Instead of the old imperialism, that mostly involved militarty presence, neo-imperialism involved controling the country economicaly. They can break or make a countries economy, so its wealth and wellfare. I think thats worse that the old imperialism, as it happens more sneaky. In old-fasioned imperialism, natives would be able to draw arms to try to remove the invaders, but there is very little to be done when an country falls under another countries economic rule...
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
*watches people with Che Guavera avatars lick their chops at this thread*

I just have this feeling that a hate-fest for the "imperialist America" and "emporer Bush" will erupt here.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Sh3kel
I'd like to hear your views on the matter, rmsharpe.

As I see it, the free flow of capital in the 19th and 20th centuries really wedged out the necessity of imperialism. Free market forces mean that states don't have to establish boundaries or defenses for the exchange of wealth to occur. Allowing the free flow of investment versus establishing a state like in traditional colonialism requires less resources and less responsibility in maintaining the new state itself.

Where no state today follows this style of state operations, there is no "neo" imperialism, but rather just independent states acting in their own self interest.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe

As I see it, the free flow of capital in the 19th and 20th centuries really wedged out the necessity of imperialism. B]


19th century? This actually needs another term, as the late 19th-century is known as the neo-imperalist period. The rush for Africa ring a bell.
 
Neo-imperialism is based on the same principle of colomialism, only the methods are different and it is equally dastardly:mad:

BTW, great post Edward:goodjob:
 
Originally posted by Sh3kel
I'd also be interested in knowing what the unholy one (Simon Darkshade) thinks.

One is for imperialism, neo or otherwise. Some people are better than others, and destined to rule over them. This is the right and natural order.
 
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


One is for imperialism, neo or otherwise. Some people are better than others, and destined to rule over them. This is the right and natural order.

Correct, Darkshade.

Drop and give me 200!

:D
 
This word still seems to embody the same principals of imperialism, which I won't say, because I think somebody else already did.:confused: I would like to see the world just be a nice and friendly place, without all this warfare and power struggling, but I'm just a dreamer.:rolleyes: :D
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Correct, Darkshade.

Drop and give me 200!

:D

Oh, blahdy blah, Herr Von Sibling. You still can't get over the fact that I got Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds on my Iron Cross before you did. :p :D
 
Originally posted by CurtSibling
Looks like I have began an OT trend!

Super! :D
Enemy Ace [tm] always asks questions. What will it take for Enemy ace [tm] to answer them?
 
An interrogator and a few electric shocks;):whip::evil:

Or endless reruns of FRIENDS :aargh:
 
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