[GS] Rate the civs in the hands of the AI - elimination thread

[TCBB]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cleopatra/Egypt [3] (6-3) I didn't realise Cleo was even still here. Her bonuses are nowhere near strong enough to pose a threat to tourism, science, or religious victories. The best hope she has is to rush you with those Maryannu archers – but that's only happened to me once, and I beat her off with relative ease because she didn't send any melee units to accompany them.
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [14]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [27]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [9]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [18]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [16]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [25]
Trajan/Rome [15] (14+1) Rome worse than Lautaro or Pericles? What are you smoking. Unlike either of them, Rome actually challenges for a victory type (typically science in my experience). And his legions alone make him more of a threat than Pericles, who poses no military danger in the early game (or at any point at all, really).

 

[Chefofrats]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cleopatra/Egypt [3]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [11] (14-3) - does nothing except spamming apostles.
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [27]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [10] (9+1) - one of the few civs that almost can't avoid having good district adjacencies deserves to stay on here for much longer. Pedro's silly dislike for civs who earn great people is no sillier than the ridiculous attitudes of some of the civs/leaders rated higher at this point (Mveba - "OMG spread your religion, I don't care we just met and your cities are at the other side of the world"; Montezuma - "How dare you have luxuries"; Genghis - "How dare you have built a single cavalry unit").
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [18]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [16]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [25]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[The Highwayman]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cleopatra/Egypt [0] [3-3] eliminated. Super aggro, so she's a pain to spawn next to. But doesn't do anything beyond her Chariot Archers. Most of the remaining don't do much either, but one brick at a time.
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [27]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [10]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [18]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [16]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26] [25+1] If he attacks me on his continent, I'm facing a -9, which is huge and one of the few with impact to the player.
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Chefofrats]

Cleo had 3 points previously, so she should be elimianated now. Please, take this into account in the next post.

 

[The Highwayman]

My post fixed

 

[Leucarum]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [14]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [27]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [7] (10-3) Copacabana in every city? Yup that's definitely making use of rainforest adjacency. Consistently one of the least dangerous AI in any game.
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19] (18+1) Poundmaker has an UI that's actually not bad to spam.
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [16]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Connor_CivFan]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28] 27 + 1 Probably one of the most consistent civs still around and doesn't have to worry about faith so the Kongo can actually produce something beneficial to them. I wish more civs were like the Kongo so I can actually have a bit of a challenge.
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [7]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [13] 16 - 3. I get that she has better walls but being defensible is just not a good enough reason to stay at this point. She may build walls but that is probably the only effect she ever has in my games, she never comes anywhere near a religious victory.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[bengalryan9]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [26]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [7] Like Pedro, I think he's criminally underrated.
Pedro/Brazil [8] (7+1) I loaded my last two games (both deity) with Brazil in them... in both games on large maps he's top 3 in both science and culture. I see a grand total of 7 ECs spread across two games/nineteen cities, and I don't see where he has lost a single city to any of his neighbors. He's a powerhouse that should be sitting comfortably in double digits but finds himself behind leaders like Chandy, Gandhi, Freddy, Suleiman, Tamar... come on.
Pericles/Greece [22] FWIW, I don't think it's just that Pericles makes your cultural victory harder... he is more than capable of chasing them himself (unlike Peter, who takes all your GWAMs only to have them standing around for centuries with nothing to do).
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
Tamar/Georgia [10] (13-3) Not everyone goes into a game with an offensive mindset. If you have no interest in actually going to war with her, she has nothing to help her keep up. Who cares about walls if you have no desire to actually capture her cities? She's content to sit there and turtle but she'll never be a threat. If you want to argue that she has a shot at religious victory, she's not even the best at that. She'd be a slight inconvenience if you were going for domination victory, but that's about it IMO.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Icicle]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [18]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27] (26+1) You can typically lure him into attacking you to avoid his production boost, but even then you're still dealing with a civ that has the most op overall bonuses of any civ in the game and most of them are passive which the AI has a harder time screwing up.
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [8]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10] (13-3) The AI doesn't understand or properly use any of this civ's bonuses.
Tamar/Georgia [10]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[PenngwynXVII]

Prince
New
Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [19] (18+1) one of the few AI that can still vacuum up City States on Deity. Plus adjacency bonuses that the AI can always use. Always a threat in my games against him.
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [5] (8-3) In my last game against this clown, by the time I was capturing his cities, he had twelve great people running around his empire, with no where to put them. How obnoxious.
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [10]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [26]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Arianrhod]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [19]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [4] By all accounts, Pacha should lead an amazing civilization. He doesn't. He is no more competent at placing districts or improvements than any other AI, and spectacularly wastes his UU. The main thing that differentiates him from any other AI his how many charges he can waste on mountain tunnels, and the only thing that keeps him alive is occasionally lucking into a very defensible position. Even then, he somehow usually fails.
Pedro/Brazil [5]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [10] We're at the point where I'm fine with letting her go, but I don't like "not everyone wars" as a defense. War is, fundamentally, the best strategy you can generally perform. You can choose not to do so, but you could also choose to not build Libraries or some other pointless restriction. And if it's a viable defense, it should also apply in reverse: not everyone peacefully waits for a Culture Victory, and if you aren't playing peacefully, Pericles just dies after putting all of his resources into a victory that should not happen.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27] Always seems to be one of the two most threatening AI civs. Even the AI can't screw up his bonuses, which are almost all pretty decent. I see him wipe out other AI more frequently than pretty much anyone else. I don't feel safe until I can attack him from like five tiles away.
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[TCBB]

Amanitore/Nubia [22]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [19]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1] (4-1) I agree with the previous poster. Pachacuti occasionally does well in early game science output – how can he fail to, if he spawns in mountains as intended? But often my map generation doesn't give him mountains; or alternatively, he aggressively does everything in his power to settle away from them. And he seems content to spam his terrace farms & those useless mountain tunnels at the expense of key infrastructure (e.g. mines and, in his case, aqueducts).

Pedro/Brazil [5] To weigh in on the Pedro debate. I think the issue is one of play-styles. If you're an aggressive player, Pedro is an absolute clown. He never builds enough military to defend himself; and just to make your life that much easier with grievances, he often attacks you first because of his aggro agenda. However: if you are a peaceful-minded player, he is one of the toughest opponents you can face. He scoops up great people from the very early game, and continues to do so throughout; he gets incredibly easy-to-activate adjacency bonuses to his districts, which the AI can't held but benefit from; and he generally starts in rainforest which, as others have explained, provide the best unimproved yields for the AI to utilise. In these ways, he is very similar to China. Again, some people (myself included) considered Qin Shi Huang a walkover because he never defends himself. But others were shocked that we eliminated him so early because, when left to his own devices, Qin can achieve one of the greatest culture snowballs in the game. So ultimately, it's about what you value in your Civ game. If you like aggression, then Pedro, Qin, and the other cultural Civs (personally, I'd include Pericles in this) pose little to zero threat at all. But if you like peace, then they will definitely prolong your win condition and, in some scenarios, might actually challenge for a victory themselves.

Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [19]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [11] [10+1] I'll continue to fight her corner. I've lost to her on religious victory. I remember someone else saying the same. So maybe she is a dark horse here? We all overlook her because, frankly, she ought to be a useless meme of a civ from her underwhelming bonuses. But maybe, just maybe, she provides the ideal combination of defensive competence and religious bonuses for the AI to click.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Drivingrevilo]

Amanitore/Nubia [19] (22-3) Probably another controversial down-vote. I appreciate that her Pitati Archers are terrifying. And she often does a really good job at building up her core districts and her science output. However, in my current game (as Lautaro), I have been less than impressed at her performance. She declared war on me in the ancient era. I was frustrated because this was a decent start (right next to Matterhorn); so instead of giving up, I tried my luck and continued. Long story short, Amanitore failed to take any of my cities because she *only* sent archers to attack me – not a single melee unit. Within ten turns or so, I had destroyed her entire army with only three archers sitting in my cities and a pair of chariots. After another twenty-five turns, I had conquered her capital and extorted all her money in a peace deal. So much for her early game threat, huh.
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [19]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [5]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20] (19+1) Another up-vote for Poundmaker. For some reason he spawns in almost all of my games, so I know full well that he does a really solid job. Most likely because the Mekewap is so good.
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [11] I think its my post you're referring to @TCBB, so I'll repeat what I said earlier. Apart from losing to early wars, I've only been defeated twice by the AI in over 1000 hours of Deity Civ VI. One of those was to Georgia.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[bengalryan9]

Amanitore/Nubia [19]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [16] (19-3) The AI tends to have no problem steamrolling city states as is, especially on Deity. This makes Frederick's biggest bonus pretty pointless for the AI in my opinion, and unless he has a few city states start right next to his territory it's even more pointless as he goes and captures cities he'll immediately lose to loyalty pressure.
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [6] (5+1) The AI is going to most benefit from any bonus that helps boost yields while requiring as little actual planning as possible. Brazil spawns surrounded by jungle and the AI doesn't chop them, which means he gets bonuses (that an AI needs in order to stay competitive) on most of his districts. I could almost understand downvoting him for his agenda if there weren't several leaders with equally stupid/picky agendas on here.
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [11] Re: religious victory... does she get any bonus to founding a religion? Any bonus to holy sites? Any bonus to faith production in general (and remember that an AI will *never* declare cassus belli)? Does she have any bonuses to the combat strength of her religious units? The answer to all these questions for Georgia is no, while a bunch of others on the list can answer yes to at least one if not more of them. Not sure "well I wasn't really paying attention to her" says all that much about her AI. As far as warring is concerned, I didn't say it should be completely taken off the table, but a fact's a fact - if you don't plan to go to war with her, her biggest advantage counts for nothing (and while capturing a neighbor is attractive, if she's such a tough nut to crack I'm even less likely to go after her unless I have to).
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

Everyone has a different approach to these threads, but here's mine. For the most part, the AI is going to do the same things no matter which leader they are: they're going to overvalue their chances at religious victory, they're going to conquer nearby city states, they're very likely to declare an early war on the human and less likely as the game progresses, they'll pick the same pantheons and beliefs in the same order, etc. My upvotes go to civs who get bonuses to areas that the AI needs help in - science, culture, combat, and production - because that is what is going to help keep that particular AI as a threat. I've (mostly) tried to focus my downvotes on AI that flat out neglect strong bonuses that are handed to them on a silver platter.

 

[The Highwayman]

Amanitore/Nubia [20] [19+1] She'll build those terrifying archers. She'll build districts. Her bland but powerful kit is easily taken advantage of by the AI. I've seen her roll her AI buddies with ease too.
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13] [16-3] I've seen too many +2 Hansas to be convinced Freddy takes advantage of his powers. The AI district priority is all over the place so I don't see the Free Imperial Cities impacting his game too much either. I've seen him do well in games, but have seen his AI buds wipe him with ease as well.
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [6]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [6]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [11]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[konokono]

Amanitore/Nubia [21] = 20 + 1. Gonna toss another vote her way. Very annoying to spawn next to her.
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [3] = 6 - 3. Thermopylae doesn't scale well into endgame. Hoplite is a joke of a UU. And AI doesn't really know how to take advantage of the extra policy card slot. Never seen her challenge for a victory or alter my play in a significant way
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [6]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [11]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Connor_CivFan]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [7] I don’t think Brazil should be going out quite yet granted there are not the best but they are good at getting adjacencies (and definitely more consistent than Georgia)
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [8] For a non-violent player who has no plans on going to war with Georgia, she does nothing. I don’t think I have ever seen her go to war (and of she has it certainly wasn’t a protectorate war). Plus she is incredibly easy to make friends with meaning you can often get away with her being useless throughout the whole game
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Leucarum]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [4] (7-3) I would have spread my downvote but a lot of emphasis seems to be going onto Pedro. I suspect people are rating him for how good his adjacencies can be for a human? I pretty much always see him just build copacabanas and collapse.
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [9] (8+1) As someone who loathes religious victory, I always feel that the less AIs are gunning for it the better.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13]
Gandhi/India [11] - 3 = 8 Like most faith / religion based Civs he's pretty weak
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [15]
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [4] + 1 = 5 Strong builder with his emphasis on GP
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
Tamar/Georgia [9]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]

 

[enKage]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [9]
Cyrus/Persia [11]
Frederick/Germany [13]
Gandhi/India [11]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [22]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
John Curtin/Australia [27]
Lautaro/Mapuche [16] 15+1 it doesn't really matter in this case, if I rate haw difficult AI Mapuche is to deal with for a player or how Mapuche AI works against other AIs. Lautaro always does a great job. maybe because always starts with a Campus in most cities and does not fall behind both in science and culture. Staying on 15 points far behind Teddy, Sal, Poundmaker, Pericles, Amanitore and Genghis is a crime, while he should be somehow the same level as mentioned
Montezuma/Aztec [13]
Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [28]
Pachacuti/Inca [1]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [22]
Poundmaker/Cree [20]
Saladin/Arabia [20]
Seondeok/Korea [24]
Suleiman/Ottomans [7] 10-3. I've never seen them strong, but have seen many times losing cores. Ultimate war machine with 2 exceptionally fantastic unique units is very weak in AI hands. Maybe because choosing unique advisor and not being able to use him? I don't know, it stills makes me wonder how it is possible not to do well as ottomans, but civ6 is simply beyond my imagination
Tamar/Georgia [9]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [27]
Trajan/Rome [15]