Razing vs. abandoning

[ummmm........]

Peace loving beatnik that I am, I've never had the opportunity to discover the difference between razing a city and capturing, then abandoning it. My understanding is that it harms your reputation either way, but is it to the same degree? Does it matter how big the city is? Do you get the free slave workers either way? How many do you get? 1 per citizen? Is it really a reputation hit or does it just affect attitude? Does it affect all other civs, or just the one(s) that had citizens in that particular city? Are you still reading after all of these questions? I am impressed.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

 

[kokoras]

Sometimes when i capture a city that i don't want i hold it until i can bring a settler.Then i rase it and build a new one,this i do A: for getting closer to a resource (mostly) or B :for not beeing the victum of a cultural conversion.I don't rase it at once so that no one else would bring a settlet faster than me (AI does this very often).

 

[Jaybe]

City razing has no affect on your reputation. It affects AI's ATTITUDE towards you. See CFC War Academy: AI Attitude.

 

[warpstorm]

If there are more of your people than the enemy's there is no penalty for abandoning a city. Otherwise you take the full hit of razing the city.

 

[ummmm........]

Okay. Thanks for the answers to the attitude question.

What about the slave workers? Do you get them either way (razing or abandoning)? And is there a formula for how many you get, or is it random?

Thanks again.

 

[homeyg]

You get no slave workers when you abandon. You only get slave workers when you raze (which I pretty much do to all AI cities I capture). As for how many, I'm not sure.

 

[Taé Shala]

If you don´t raze and just abandon you can sell city improvements.

 

[t3h_m013]

i thought getting slaves only hasppened when theres workers in the city.. i didn't know it had anythign to do with the city pop...

 

[Bibor]

From my experience:

I prefer abandoning to razing because:
- i can get my units (and probably captured workers, artillery etc out of town) fast since road connection gets severed when you raze the city.
- i first SELL all the improvements in the city i can (those from wonders and aqueducts/hospitals you can't).

Then i raze it.

BTW, when you raze a city i think 1/2 of the population is transformed into slave workers. I'm almost 100% sure on this one. Try razing a 10 size city, you'll get 5 workers.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Don't forget: When you abandon a city, all city-bound unhappiness (from whipping, e.g.) moves to your nearest city...Doesn't happen with Razing.

 

[Bibor]

Don't forget: When you abandon a city, all city-bound unhappiness (from whipping, e.g.) moves to your nearest city...Doesn't happen with Razing.

If i abandon, I do it on the end of the turn i captured the city, since they provide me cultural borders (hence movement deeper into enemy territory). And I either whip or abandon. Not both. But its an interesting thing you say. Unhappiness moves to next city? So what if you whip two cities and abandon them both? It just keeps rolling up so your third city gets the bad attitude from 2 cities?

-bibor

 

[homeyg]

Don't forget: When you abandon a city, all city-bound unhappiness (from whipping, e.g.) moves to your nearest city...Doesn't happen with Razing.

Interesting, I've never heard this before...

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

The real point is -it doesn't have to be your whipping, if the AI excessively whipped/drafted before, you'll see it as well. And of course, it just accumulates...

 

[Samson]

The real point is -it doesn't have to be your whipping, if the AI excessively whipped/drafted before, you'll see it as well.

This is the really important thing. If the AI knows you are attacking and he will lose, he will heavily whip / draft. A game I had recently the 1st 3 cities I captured were size 1 with 4 unhappy in each. If you raze, the AI gets this unhappiness transferd to his cities, if you capture / abandon it is transfered to yours.

 

[Jaybe]

if_only_we_were,
What technique do you use to count unhappies that are greater than the size of the city?

 

[Samson]

What technique do you use to count unhappies that are greater than the size of the city?

I waited until there were a pop of 2 in the city. As I was playing Deity, that gave 1 unhappy due to overcrowding. When I clicked on the unhappy citizen, it tells you the cause of the unhappiness, so in this case it was 75% "We just cannot forget the oppresion you rained down on us" and 25% "It is just to crowded". AS I knew there is 1 overcrowding unhappiness, there must be 3 rushed unhappiness.

HTH

 

[ummmm........]

I always wondered what those percentages meant. But shouldn't there have been some "Stop your aggression against our mother country" unhappiness too?

By the way, I'm razing for the first time ever in my current game, and I find it much more effective than abandoning. Slaves plus better city placement.

 

[Masquerouge]

Wo wait.
That means that if you take a size one city in which 3 citizen have been whipped, and thus no longer exist, and you raze that city, 4 unhappy citizens will transfer to your nearest city ?

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Replace 'Raze' with 'Abandon', and yes, that's what it seems to do...

 

[Samson]

That means that if you take a size one city in which 3 citizen have been whipped, and thus no longer exist, and you raze that city, 4 unhappy citizens will transfer to your nearest city ?

If it is size 1 with no culture, then it is auto razed (or if you choose to raze it) and the enemy gets the unhappiness. If you capture it and then abandon it, you get the unhappiness.
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