Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
If all you want is a treeless oasis, here you are.
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TheBirdMan
King
Thanks - I'll give it a try tomorrow.
JDCP
Warlord
hahahaha this is so funny! Nothing bad with it, just remembers me to my early days playing this game "Why doesn't nobody attack me? oh right, I'm 2k points over everyone in the score..." 
Sounds like you're having a lot of fun, give a try to higher difficulties when you feel like it, it's almost a completely different game playing on lower ones (quite a breeze) than playing on high difficulties (WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT ME DEAD? 
) it really forces you into changing the way you approach to things.Confederation? It's a great civic no doubt, specially early in the classical age, but I prefer burning money away than fomenting unhappiness, so I would go for plutocracy/republic, the senate is amazingly powerful!!! The units production penalty is not that big considering you should not be producing units in cities that aren't specialized towards production. There are a lot of rather easy ways to deal with economy, not so much with public distress
The maintenance part of a republic is the only thing that can be bothersome, but in some cases you might not notice it.
I support what others said, only do so if it is truly worth the expense. Colonies and war depend on so many factors that it's pretty hard for me to list them, conquest is less about if you can actually put up a good fight and more on the side of how long can you stay into that fight, it doesn't stop as soon as you beat the enemy, but it keeps itself on the roots of that land, draining all your energies until you can't keep holding your position. Only time and a good administration can stop it, in that sense, this mod does an amazing job at representing why very few colonies remain to this day, I've seen countless times the origins of many modern day countries retold in the colonies I've had in this game, history repeats! That said it's still a game, so if you try hard enough you can conquer the entire world and not break a sweat.
I'm only willing to take the risk of stepping on foreign lands if there are good resources and excellent strategical positions, if the enemy cities are placed on tough locations I just raze them. It's all about keeping a balance, never about having 200 cities and stacks of 10 units in all of em, you gotta plan it right and keep all parts of your civilization growing together so nothing gets out of control, no room for mistake here.
THE NEW WHAT?!!!I love the effect of the new Leaning Tower wonder! It puts a whole new angle on going tall.
I really gotta try this SVN thing as soon as I can.I thought I had spoken about this before, but that happened to me some months ago... quite in fact I even found a screenshot dating from february! (how that remains in my storage is beyond me) looks like I forgot to show it.
3 Armenias and 3 Greeces... I swear my games are the craziest. Which makes me wonder, is there some sort of unification event in the mod? Something like them uniting again into one, peacefully of course.
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Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
Oh, there's lots of new stuff in there... Wonder-wise, just recently, two wonders were reworked (in one case, into a completely new thing), and a third one is on the way (maybe even today).THE NEW WHAT?!!!
Not per se, especially not while two of them remain someone else's vassals. But those "sister civs" instantly assimilate each other's cultures on reconquest. Come to think of that, they should also instantly reabsorb one another if one is the other's vassal...
Confederation? It's a great civic no doubt, specially early in the classical age, but I prefer burning money away than fomenting unhappiness, so I would go for plutocracy/republic, the senate is amazingly powerful!!! The units production penalty is not that big considering you should not be producing units in cities that aren't specialized towards production. There are a lot of rather easy ways to deal with economy, not so much with public distress
I don't have any trouble with unhapiness since middle-classical, as most of my cities are either stuck in growth due to lack of food or growing extremely slowly, and I've managed to build a few Wonders and collects enough hapiness ressources to have no reason to switch civics so far. But I'm pretty sure we dont play at the same game, like, at all
I don't specialize cities nor do I focus on great people generation, even though I know it's one of the goto strategy to win higher difficulty. But it's just not the way I like to play, I much rather prefer balancing between mines & towns and only building farms when absolutly mandatory. I also play on a low difficulty, prefer to turtle myself in than playing conquest and am quite the isolationnist.
Basically "Let me have my fun in my corner" type of gamer. I find it more relaxing that way ^^
I'm certain that the game would look REALLY different if I ever go up in difficulty : I will have to spend more time building units, probably won't be able to reach the World Wonders, and even my basic hapiness will be lower.
It's almost two differents games, at that point !
I was even feeling like I could try my next game on a higher diff... then I encountered Tokugawa, who has 25% more score than me, even though I'm already 25% on top of the best previously known Civ and a good 50% more than the middle of the pack.
Not sure why the Japanese are so strong on the Huge World Map. Probably because they are the only one not being attacked on all corners ?
Looks crazy indeed ! If only now the revolting Civ would be able to spawn as their real world historical counterpart, at least on the scenarios map that simulated real world.
Having the Doge of Venise spawn near Turkey felt a bit weird
TheBirdMan
King
It looks like all of us who aren't sneaking around are getting a really good Christmas present
this year. Thank you in advance SantaWalter 
.And now for Walter's personal gift - my wish from yesterday for a freshwater lake. It works!
Spoiler Screenshots of the Freshwater lake with my comments :
???) so that cities can only be built on grassland, coastal tiles with grassland, plains and tundra - not snow, or where there is fresh water (rivers, "standard" lakes (coast-tiles)). I know from previous tests of this new map that Spain didn't do anything - they stood still even after 15 turns
. Now after placing a freshwater-lake tile they "join" the fight from the start. VERY GOOD
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tebriz
Warlord
Just to make things clear - whether I should start a new game or wait a little bit - are you talking about Great Library change or there will be another changed wonder too?
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Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
It should have been exactly the same oasis as the original one, minus the trees, but that's on me for not testing in-game before handing to you. Here's a version with the fixed water. As for the size, did you forget about the XML scale entry?
Another all-new one.Just to make things clear if - I should start a new game or wait a little bit - are you talking about Great Library change or there will be another changed wonder too?
TheBirdMan
King
Yes, I had forgot all about that. I have tried with 2 different fScale values (2 and 3) - <fScale>3.0</fScale> is the one I like.
However - it looks like the lake has an anchor point in the middle of the tile, so when I increase the fScale value, the lake shifts up and to the right...... The larger the value of the fScale, the more it moves up and right.
Spoiler Screenshot with fScale 3 :
But the look and color - beautiful!
Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
Here you are centred.
TheBirdMan
King
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Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
As I mentioned before, I fail to see its gameplay relevance. Also, it will look ugly with units standing on it.
TheBirdMan
King
Naaahhh. It's not that bad. Actually I do find it quite "ok".
Spoiler Warrior taking a little foot-bath :
It's always the old question of "Is more always better?". Personnally I can see the appeal, a source of fresh water and irrigation that isn't a river is different enough to make it "interesting".
A little bit how all Hills are different but still basically the same.
Perhaps it could be boosted to have 3 or 4
and be an equivalent to Oasis for non-desertic area ?
Or perhaps only 2-3 by default but having access to some building that would improves the tiles (like the fisherman's dock and stuff like that ?).
But I agree that it would have to become an impassable terrain to avoid the "bath-foot" soldiers, they does look quite silly
(On another topic : I just ended a 115-turns war, and only managed to graps ~20 turns of peace before a new war was launched on peaceful old me. World Map in Medieval time is brutal !)
A little bit how all Hills are different but still basically the same.
Perhaps it could be boosted to have 3 or 4
and be an equivalent to Oasis for non-desertic area ?Or perhaps only 2-3
by default but having access to some building that would improves the tiles (like the fisherman's dock and stuff like that ?).But I agree that it would have to become an impassable terrain to avoid the "bath-foot" soldiers, they does look quite silly
(On another topic : I just ended a 115-turns war, and only managed to graps ~20 turns of peace before a new war was launched on peaceful old me. World Map in Medieval time is brutal !)
TheBirdMan
King
Hmmm - I didn't really had that in mind, but it's a good addition. So I've done that now with this little change for my Lake in the CIV4FeatureInfos.xml file - <bImpassable>0</bImpassable> to <bImpassable>1</bImpassable> .
Spoiler Freshwater lake - now without access to dirty soldiers :
Whether it's enough to add something useful to the game - I'll leave that to the Boss.
I can only write that I'm getting more and more happy with "my" little lake. Now I don't want to be without it.
Not necessarily. A big part of being successful in higher difficulties in learning how to accomplish more with less. At least with units. With cities it's about learning how to accomplish more with more. You can still reach wonders first, but you have to be deliberate. You won't casually arrive at a world wonder, but you can focus one down and get it (usually). Also the AI is sometimes less wonder-focused (I can go 200-300 turns in some of my games before anyone builds Pyramids/Stonehenge), so it's surprisingly not as competitive.
I don't mind the idea of lakes as tiles, but it's feels weird seeing them disconnected from rivers. But the game doesn't feel lacking for their absence.
Seems to me that now it is functionally identical to a single tile "coast" freshwater lake. Can't enter it with ground units, can't found cities on it, provides freshwater nearby...
Maybe keep the scale smaller after all, allow it to be passable by ground units, possibly make a specific improvement similar to the Settlement for the Oasis?
Like a "lake fishery" or a "fisher's village" giving an extra food, improved by some techs later.
Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
I mean, your suggestion essentially boils down to 1-tile fresh water lake - which is already in-game.Perhaps it could be boosted to have 3 or 4
Or perhaps only 2-3
But I agree that it would have to become an impassable terrain to avoid the "bath-foot" soldiers, they does look quite silly
TheBirdMan
King
Hmmmm. I might have to allow troops to move onto this kind of tiles afterall. Just to make the difference between the two options for a small lake more pronounced. Whether it will be ugly or fun to watch a battle over this tile - time will tell.I mean, your suggestion essentially boils down to 1-tile fresh water lake - which is already in-game.
Still reading RI changelogs since many years :] Most of the time I am playing on World map Large, really enjoying the game!
Some observations:
* World Wonder GP kicks in the moment it's built. Why not the turn after as for any regular building?
* There are quite a few culture buildings after Sculpture. Does Imperial Cult really need the additional
? I think 1 :happiness: would be enough because it's very low cost (as it should be)
* Really like the new tech tree! A minor tweak could be to move Archery one step later, on the same level as Sailing/AH/Road Bilding/Early Metal Working. In most of my World Map games, seems to rush it. In addition, AI seems to builds Roads all over the place, instead of improvements...so they lack behind fast.
* IMO foreign trade is possible to early. I propose again to delay trade on rivers to Sailing and trade on coast to Ship Building. In my current game as Poland, after Sailing, I can trade with half of discovered (far away) Civs already. This seems not very realistic for ancient era.
* Warband (first Irregulars) are too cheap with 48
for a 4 
unit. I think a cost increase would be good + more % (maybe 5) for each additional unit.
Merci for reading to the community and thanks for continued development of this great Civ4 mod!
Some observations:
* World Wonder GP kicks in the moment it's built. Why not the turn after as for any regular building?
* There are quite a few culture buildings after Sculpture. Does Imperial Cult really need the additional
? I think 1 :happiness: would be enough because it's very low cost (as it should be)* Really like the new tech tree! A minor tweak could be to move Archery one step later, on the same level as Sailing/AH/Road Bilding/Early Metal Working. In most of my World Map games, seems to rush it. In addition, AI seems to builds Roads all over the place, instead of improvements...so they lack behind fast.
* IMO foreign trade is possible to early. I propose again to delay trade on rivers to Sailing and trade on coast to Ship Building. In my current game as Poland, after Sailing, I can trade with half of discovered (far away) Civs already. This seems not very realistic for ancient era.
* Warband (first Irregulars) are too cheap with 48
for a 4 unit. I think a cost increase would be good + more % (maybe 5) for each additional unit.Merci for reading to the community and thanks for continued development of this great Civ4 mod!
