Realistic Nuclear Missile Mods?

[blitzkrieg1980]

Say what you wish to please yourself, you only make yourself look more snoty, stuck up and whiney.

Still don't sound educated.

 

[PowderedWig]

In Civilization terms that 50 megaton Hydrogen bomb could be a precursor to the W88 mirv missile (ICBM in CIV4), The 50 megaton hydrogen bomb could act as a tactical nuke rangewise, and would have to by carried by an air unit and would cost more hammers to make but when dropped but would completely eliminate a target city as opposed to the Mirv missiles being cheaper to produce and could be launched from any location and hit any target on the map. That would satiate my lust for a city obliterating nuke and would make the effects that I wanted the ICBM's to make, although I now know ICBM's are far less powerful than the older nukes of the Cold War, but more effective. So I guess I am requesting a mod for Cold War era nukes that completely destroy target cities.

 

[r_rolo1]

ICBM != MIRV In fact there are no MIRV in Civ IV. We, at best, are talking about 1970 technology in terms of nuke launching ( Polaris-style at best )

 

[PowderedWig]

@blitzkrieg1980 I thought you were done with this forum?
"Still don't sound educated." When around people like you, why even bother? It is a wasted effort to attempt being logical with someone as incompetent as yourself.

 

[TheLadiesOgre]

stop bickering and run a quick search on the db

here

Remember to thank The_J

 

[PowderedWig]

It has the intended effect I had wanted but it is only for the original Civilization 4 I believe. It has to be for Beyond The Sword.

 

[TheLadiesOgre]

No, it isn't, I use BTS and I've used that ModComp

 

[PowderedWig]

Ok I guess I am going to test out that mod then.

 

[mechaerik]

Check the thread where you can find a line that makes the terrain desert instead of water.

 

[Silu]

Then lets take what killmeplease had to say into consideration the atom bomb was ten to twenty kilotons in power, the atom bomb caused everyting in a miles radius to be leveled and The Tsar bomba, a hydrogen bomb tested detonated in 1961 was 50 megatons, 25,000 times more powerful than the atom bomb, so I'm guessing it's blast radius would be 25,000 miles maybe only 20,000 due to modern building materials, and on top of that, the Tsar Bomba was made 48 years ago, so more than likley they have bombs that are even stronger than that.

I just can't get over this. So they detonated a bomb with a blast radius that's 3 times the diameter of Earth? But due to modern building materials (they sure know how to build Earths nowadays) maybe just 2.5 times?

Hope they don't detonate many of those newer bombs that might annihilate even 5 Earths in one go.

Hope I'm not fanning the flames, as it seems the worst debate died down a bit already, but couldn't help but comment

 

[killmeplease]

People overestimate the power of nuclear weapons. There are some 50+MT bombs that could destroy most of a medium-sized city, but most of the warheads in ICBMs are much smaller than that. A city the size of Dallas would require over a dozen typical warheads to ensure physical damage (not obliteration) to every structure within it's city limits.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both small cities, each well under a million people. Modern cities are much more spread out.

you guys speaking about plot size in square miles in the game, forget about the thing that 1 unit is not intended to represent 1 warhead (or 1 warrior, or 1 ship).

 

[killmeplease]

personally i'd like to see a-bobs and h-bombs delivering by bombers, more variety, more devasting nuclear weapons as well as light power ones, i.e. a nuclear artillery.

 

[PowderedWig]

@Silu go back to post #28, I admitted I made a mathematical error, the real destructive power of the Tsar bomb would have been 2,500, I'm guessing that but mathematically I could be incorrect again. You cant just pick a piece of an argument you don't like and comment negatively without seeing how the rest of the debate had gone, it makes you look arrogant and pretty stupid, by the way your sarcasm was a complete failure, as I had already corrected myself, way to look stupid Silu, but one could wonder if that is a surprise as you must do things like this often.

 

[PowderedWig]

Wow, I can only hope that when I start another thread people won't act so bratty and stuck up as in this one, as I said before, a good many people on this thread don't know how to properly conduct a gentleman's argument. Anyways, the thread is done as I found a mediocre edit that somewhat suits what I was looking for but I would have preferred a mod but it is still good. I had also partially proved my point, the nuclear weapons of the Cold War could level cities, though those nuclear weapons are outdated now, anyways this thread is now dead, no further commenting is necessary. Ridiculous the way you treated a newcomer to these sites, completely rude.

 

[Silu]

For someone that's looking for a "gentleman's debate", you sure tend to call people idiots a lot. Doesn't really help in getting your point of view across. The point behind my post was that in such a debate it's generally good practice to apply some rudimentary common sense to one's claims, be they corrected later or not.

On topic, the best point in a few dozen post is killmeplease's point a few posts up. One "ICBM" can represent any arbitrary number of warheads, which means that there's no "right" or "wrong" amount of destruction caused by it.

 

[PowderedWig]

@Silu "For someone that's looking for a "gentleman's debate", you sure tend to call people idiots a lot" I shall only respond negatively when someone else has responded in what I view was negative, or as I like to call it, the you start it I finish it policy. "The point behind my post was that in such a debate it's generally good practice to apply some rudimentary common sense to one's claims, be they corrected later or not." Yes I had already corrected myself though, so your correction was unneeded and in my view a hostile response for the sake of just being hostile, as I was always doing my best to make sense of my theories, although math has again foiled my attempt and I was forced to correct myself. "On topic, the best point in a few dozen post is killmeplease's point a few posts up. One "ICBM" can represent any arbitrary number of warheads, which means that there's no "right" or "wrong" amount of destruction caused by it." I don't have a problem with ICBM's as I now realize that they are realistic, I wanted someone to add Cold War Era Hydrogen Bombs.

 

[TheLadiesOgre]

...a mediocre edit...

mediocre? you come here complaining about the nukes in the game, whining that they don't destroy cities, I show you a mod that does what you want and you have the gall to complain, if you think you can do better, then quit making "mathematical errors" and get in front of IDlE

...Ridiculous the way you treated a newcomer to these sites, completely rude.

you get what you give.

 

[PowderedWig]

"mediocre? you come here complaining about the nukes in the game, whining that they don't destroy cities, I show you a mod that does what you want and you have the gall to complain"
Yes I am grateful for your assistance and the edit but it isn't a mod I can switch on and off besides the fact that it is very well made. Although if anybody sounded like they were whining it would be you as you seem to sound very offended about what I said. Although I meant no offense. "you get what you give." If you put it that way then I should have received my intended Gentleman's Argument, but instead I am treated like and invader, and since I am treated as a hostile, I shall respond in a hostile manner. It isn't my fault the edit doesn't fully fit my needs, "if you think you can do better, then quit making "mathematical errors" and get in front of IDlE" believe me, I wish I could make my own mods but my own lack of mathematical prowess prevents me, however I am willing to read tutorials on modding if that would help me get better at modding.

 

[PowderedWig]

Ok NOW this thread is done the debates are over and a edit was found, no further commenting is necessary, unless of course your out to stir up trouble, which in that case may you be struck by a bolt of lightning while you attempt to do so.

 

[mechaerik]

You don't have to copy and paste what people say, there is a quote button at the bottom-right corner of the post.

just a tip.