Redrawing the Map

Azkonus said:
Hey be happy with your Atina (Athens) which is a pure Greek city. Plus Istanbul is unbelivable dependent on Anatolia and can't be seperated.

You are so in love with Istanbul, have you ever visited the "Queen of the cities" though?
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Do not project your own emotions on me; this thread is quite relaxed anyway, no reason for such antipathies ;) Besides, i merely stated the obvious; those two cities were the most important ones of the Byzantine Empire.

And i have already told you that i have not been there; does it matter? And no city is dependant on any particular region; if anything Thessalonike is a much better example of that, being in the past very important in the ottoman empire, and then surviving as an important city past the balkan wars. Today again it is the main port of the balkans :)
 
varwnos said:
Do not project your own emotions on me; this thread is quite relaxed anyway, no reason for such antipathies ;) Besides, i merely stated the obvious; those two cities were the most important ones of the Byzantine Empire.

And i have already told you that i have not been there; does it matter? And no city is dependant on any particular region; if anything Thessalonike is a much better example of that, being in the past very important in the ottoman empire, and then surviving as an important city past the balkan wars. Today again it is the main port of the balkans :)
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No hard feelings, I am just kidding with you. :)

Just don't say we want western part every time you had a chance :p
 
Well, it has to do with population as well. If Greece had 50 million, and Turkey 11, then there would be concern the other way around, particularly with some primitive attitudes about ethnicity still lurking on ;)
However what i wrote infact suggested a country consisting of Greece and Turkey, being called the Byzantine empire (ok, on odd months it could be called the Ottoman ;) )
 
Greece+Turkey would infact be much more powerful then the sum of parts, but only problem is the language.
Only if years years later everyone speaks english what you suggest is possible.
 
There are bilingual countries (eg Canada). The need for social services being bilingual would also secure a large number of new jobs. False and counter-productive (or rather racist) nationalism would be a bigger issue, and also religion for those people who still care for it. In reality there is no real reason why such a country could not exist, although currently there are not so many steps being taken to the direction of limiting ingrained distrust.
There are some steps being taken here, for example the new elementary school books have no refference of the janissaries. I am not sure how things are in turkish elementary school books, but there should be a mutually accepted plan for the future. :)
 
Miles Teg said:
Fair enough then. I'm having bad images of China and India copying Russia and Germany in dealing with Poland though.
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Nah, that's not how South Asian and East Asian minds work. The real competition in SE Asia is who gets more audiences - Bollywood or Korean TV dramas? :lol:
 
ParkCungHee said:
Sure, if you would agree to China becoming a part of the USA, but with "complete self-determination over their domestic affairs". :D
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That will be your undoing, believe me. ;)

The sheer number of new migrants alone will easily swamp you. :mwaha:

And in a few generations their descendants will dominate everything. Assimilation and conquest from within! :scan:
 
Yeah they're everywhere aren't they? :ack:

I like the cute girls but the male leads are often foppish and look effeminate. What the hell's with that? :shake:
 
More maps! Less talking!
 
They say you should forgive and forget... so, let's return to Imperial Germany's 1914 borders in continental Europe, before it all went wrong. It looks more aesthetically pleasing. All this talk... Austria can stay independent. Let's not go too far here - otherwise it's a slippery slope to:
Spoiler Das III. Reich - 1941 :
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...and beyond - where do you stop (Großdeutschland)? :mischief: Gotta know when to quit while you're ahead, and get along with your neighbors. So, let's just settle for:
 
Lotus49 said:
...and beyond - where do you stop (Großdeutschland)? :mischief:
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well, german speaking regions. germany, austria, liechtenstein, most of switzerland, that bit of germany that was given to belgium after WW1 and thats it.

the main problem with returning to the Kaiserreich`s borders are;
1. north schleswig is mainly Danish.
2. Alsace-Lorraine is a fairly even mix of french and german as far as i know, so best the two countries stop bickering over who should have it and leave it as it is. or split it between them :hmm:
3. most of Eastern germany is polish majority, due to the expulsion of the germans from eastern europe and sudetenland 1946.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_expulsion_after_World_War_II
4. combined with german expulsion and russian immigration when it was incorporated into the USSR, East Prussia [Kaliningrad Oblast] is now mostly russian.
 
So, so politically incorrect. Italy seems to have been dealt with harshy. But I like it. :)
 
Yeah, as you can see, I'm not very familiar with their faces. ;) I actually really thought they were Asian... :crazyeye:

Spoiler :
BTW, have I told you recently that I hate that song.....? :wallbash: :crazyeye:
Wow, the smileys are so small! :shake: We need a bigger wallbash! :crazyeye:
 
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