Since this is a troll thread ... should their UA be that they can only play the ancient age, then disappear, but whoever occupies their grounds in the modern age then has to yield his cities to them so they can play again?
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Since this is a troll thread ... should their UA be that they can only play the ancient age, then disappear, but whoever occupies their grounds in the modern age then has to yield his cities to them so they can play again?
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Ah! I have not played Gods and Kings and was unaware of this.
This is basically what I said in my OP. I suggested that, if Israel is defeated, they should be returned to their location in 1948 and displace whatever is there.
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They returned to their land more righteously and peacefully, than, lets say for example, Spain and England settled in America and driven off many people from land to which they (Spain and England) had 0 historical connection
And Israel / Jew settlements always existed in Israel, they just was minority
But whatever, its not right thread to discuss it , and nothing to discuss here, actually
I agree 100% with this assessment of the rightness of the Israeli settlement compared to that of America. However, the plight of the Palestinians is certainly understandable and the "displacement of whatever is there" is still the appropriate language. It's not a pretty issue either way you look at it.
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In defence of the OP I do not really think this is a troll thread, just because his/her opinion differs from others doesn't makes his ears pointy
In reference to the OP I couldn't disagree more, your suggestions are way too OP IMO.
In regards to the American UA, it has changed post release. Originally America had a river bias (the only civ to have one). The plot buying option was designed to allow purchasing good tiles (of which their should be penty given the river start) quickly and cheaply. But this is not the best part of the UA. The sight bonus is awsome. Early game exploration is completed quickly and safely (settlers generally do not need escorts if used right) through that bonus. Barb spawn busting is easy to accomplish, not to mention all 3 ranged units being usefull with out hills or spotters. On top of that the Minuteman has been buffed several times since release and is extremely potent now. The bombers are just the icing on the cake, given bombers are strong anyway.
As with any UA you have to leverage it to really use it. If you do not buy plots, then why not ? Why don't you want that luxury that you will have to wait 20 turns for, why don't you want to steal that plot from a competing CS/Civ. Why don't you use the sight bonus for safe settling, ranged units, scouting enemy cities etc. Why not grab the Wonder that reduces plot buying even further and have all new cities (settled or conquered) best tiles available from the get go ? If your playstyle is highly macro managed, quick, direct etc then they may not be the Civ for you as I believe America is a more stretgically minded Civ. This does not mean that the Civ UA is useless, especially when considered in tandem with their UU's.
BTW I purchase tiles everytime I play.
RE Patriotic Fool : Telling every other civlization in the world to go back to living in caves is extremely inflamatory and beyond ignorant. The world was not living in caves prior to the founding of America so why insinuate such ? America has done, and continues to do, many great intellectual, cultural and military endeavours, but chest thumping and decrying anyone who criticises is a sure way to show historical ignorance. Being proud of ones country/people is laudable, but basking in the reflective glory of other's accompishments is not. American endeavours need only the pages of history for its defence, your ill considered invective adds nothing.
In reference to the OP I couldn't disagree more, your suggestions are way too OP IMO.
In regards to the American UA, it has changed post release. Originally America had a river bias (the only civ to have one). The plot buying option was designed to allow purchasing good tiles (of which their should be penty given the river start) quickly and cheaply. But this is not the best part of the UA. The sight bonus is awsome. Early game exploration is completed quickly and safely (settlers generally do not need escorts if used right) through that bonus. Barb spawn busting is easy to accomplish, not to mention all 3 ranged units being usefull with out hills or spotters. On top of that the Minuteman has been buffed several times since release and is extremely potent now. The bombers are just the icing on the cake, given bombers are strong anyway.
As with any UA you have to leverage it to really use it. If you do not buy plots, then why not ? Why don't you want that luxury that you will have to wait 20 turns for, why don't you want to steal that plot from a competing CS/Civ. Why don't you use the sight bonus for safe settling, ranged units, scouting enemy cities etc. Why not grab the Wonder that reduces plot buying even further and have all new cities (settled or conquered) best tiles available from the get go ? If your playstyle is highly macro managed, quick, direct etc then they may not be the Civ for you as I believe America is a more stretgically minded Civ. This does not mean that the Civ UA is useless, especially when considered in tandem with their UU's.
BTW I purchase tiles everytime I play.
RE Patriotic Fool : Telling every other civlization in the world to go back to living in caves is extremely inflamatory and beyond ignorant. The world was not living in caves prior to the founding of America so why insinuate such ? America has done, and continues to do, many great intellectual, cultural and military endeavours, but chest thumping and decrying anyone who criticises is a sure way to show historical ignorance. Being proud of ones country/people is laudable, but basking in the reflective glory of other's accompishments is not. American endeavours need only the pages of history for its defence, your ill considered invective adds nothing.
In defence of the OP I do not really think this is a troll thread, just because his/her opinion differs from others doesn't makes his ears pointy
In reference to the OP I couldn't disagree more, your suggestions are way too OP IMO.
In regards to the American UA, it has changed post release. Originally America had a river bias (the only civ to have one). The plot buying option was designed to allow purchasing good tiles (of which their should be penty given the river start) quickly and cheaply. But this is not the best part of the UA. The sight bonus is awsome. Early game exploration is completed quickly and safely (settlers generally do not need escorts if used right) through that bonus. Barb spawn busting is easy to accomplish, not to mention all 3 ranged units being usefull with out hills or spotters. On top of that the Minuteman has been buffed several times since release and is extremely potent now. The bombers are just the icing on the cake, given bombers are strong anyway.
As with any UA you have to leverage it to really use it. If you do not buy plots, then why not ? Why don't you want that luxury that you will have to wait 20 turns for, why don't you want to steal that plot from a competing CS/Civ. Why don't you use the sight bonus for safe settling, ranged units, scouting enemy cities etc. Why not grab the Wonder that reduces plot buying even further and have all new cities (settled or conquered) best tiles available from the get go ? If your playstyle is highly macro managed, quick, direct etc then they may not be the Civ for you as I believe America is a more stretgically minded Civ. This does not mean that the Civ UA is useless, especially when considered in tandem with their UU's.
BTW I purchase tiles everytime I play.
Partially, this is because I am an inexperienced player (the fact that I don't buy tiles), perhaps. I have purchased tiles before for certain strategic resourced I need or luxury items if I really can't wait for the happiness. But I do this rarely and a slight discount on the price of land is not a huge bonus to me, at my current play level and style. I'll consider looking into more next time I play, and may come to appreciate the bonus.
I do appreciate the sight bonus, but I probably have not been using that to its full capacity either. I had not really thought directly about the impact that would have on ranged units (my favorite civ is Elizabeth with the longbowmen, and because I like navies). I already appreciate it more.
One thing I do love about America is the minutemen.
So thanks for the input, I'll probably be better as an American player for it.
Also, thanks for understanding that submitting some political opinions and satire along with a playful critique of civ V is not "trolling."
Agreed.
Basically, my stance on the Israel as Civ issue is ... Firaxis should finally get their act together and release proper modding tools (the dll), so even if they aren't an official civ, someone can make them, complete with a unique leaderhead, unique art and possibly a unique ability, whater that would turn out to be.
The "gearing up for releasing the modding tools!" post was what ... a year ago?
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America's UA is indeed really good. If you are have contesting borders with other civs/CSes (which happens a lot the more the game progresses), you'll have an easy time expanding and grabbing those important tiles (resources, natural wonders, etc.).
And indeed, the exploration is very useful too.
And indeed, the exploration is very useful too.
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I think Civ is perfectly fine with how it is now. It is not trying to be historically accurate (else we'd never see Ramesses being able to build riflemen and tanks, mir?), after all.
Civ always has been trying to detach itself from current political issues, and I think it should stay that way - I really wouldn't want a bankrupt Papandreou Greece, a revolutionary Egypt, a corrupt mafia-ridden Italy or anything of the likes replacing their ancient ancestor empires. Neither would I want a Nazi Germany or the return of Stalin/Mao as the leaders for Russia and China respectively (as a Russian, I've found the re-introduction of them in Civ 4 insanely tasteless, and it's one of the reasons I did not purchase Civilization Revolution).
I can see the thoughts behind wanting to give the America civ more war-based traits, but frankly, there's many civilizations that work better as conquerors, like the Mongols or the Huns, because that's what they did (or rather, that's what they are known for doing).
Civ always has been trying to detach itself from current political issues, and I think it should stay that way - I really wouldn't want a bankrupt Papandreou Greece, a revolutionary Egypt, a corrupt mafia-ridden Italy or anything of the likes replacing their ancient ancestor empires. Neither would I want a Nazi Germany or the return of Stalin/Mao as the leaders for Russia and China respectively (as a Russian, I've found the re-introduction of them in Civ 4 insanely tasteless, and it's one of the reasons I did not purchase Civilization Revolution).
I can see the thoughts behind wanting to give the America civ more war-based traits, but frankly, there's many civilizations that work better as conquerors, like the Mongols or the Huns, because that's what they did (or rather, that's what they are known for doing).
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I'd tell what i lack in Civ personally:
Khazar Civ
Israel Civ
Sumer Civ
Shaka!!!!!!
Portugal Civ
UU for Militaristic CS. (i think that every militaristic CS should have own UU, and not use UUs of other civs which are not in game
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General Promotions (xp for generals which could and promotions which could be bough from xp or GG pool XP)
More diplomacy involving religion
Reforestation (nice idea, should take alot of worker turns though)
Khazar Civ
Israel Civ
Sumer Civ
Shaka!!!!!!
Portugal Civ
UU for Militaristic CS. (i think that every militaristic CS should have own UU, and not use UUs of other civs which are not in game
)General Promotions (xp for generals which could and promotions which could be bough from xp or GG pool XP)
More diplomacy involving religion
Reforestation (nice idea, should take alot of worker turns though)
Ok, if they can include such people as Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great - they should shy away for the sake of being politically correct from relatively minor despots such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc. If this is controversial to anyone, I suggest they look at what Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great did. Most leaders, if they are going to be remembered as "great," do evil things.
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