Religions that are missing and should be included

[Loppan Torkel]

A simple way to have larger numbers of religions in the game is to simply limit it to one/culture group.

e.g. if you are France and you discover Monotheism, then you get to choose from Judaism or Zoroastrianism. Your choice obviously becomes the religion you found. What this means, though, is that Germany and England-if they were in the game-now could not found their own monotheistic faith, but would have to adopt the choice of the French.
However Persia, if it was in the game, would still be able to found a religion if they discovered Monotheism, though obviously they would be limited just to the one not picked by France in this example. The aforementioned German and English civs could-of course-eschew French Judaism in favour of Persian Zoroastrianism, if they wished-or they could each try and be the first in the culture group to try and get the prerequisite techs for one of the other religions.
Hope that made sense.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

Great Idea, Aussie. That could open up for some interesting religious conflicts, and races, if the religions were given several layers - Catholism and Protestantism, Shia and Sunni and so on. If the founder of Christianity is the first, in his culturegroup, to reach the Reformation, perhaps he could just lock the Protestantic path out altogether from his culture group, if he wanted to.

 

[Ironheart]

I see something that seems a little wrong.

Religions from Asia:

Buddhism
Confucianism
Hinduism
Taoism

Religions from Middle East

Christianity
Islam
Judaism

Why it is that these regions have their religions represented but other cultures are not represented? Just to name a few that have been very influencial throughout history and in some cases are still alive; Celtic (nature and magic), Norse, Roman/Greco (polytheism), Native American and African(spiritual),

Considering that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are very much related and created very close to one another and that the China, SW Asia, India religions are represented I don't understand why they don't have the others.

They have the ability to play as Romans, Greeks, Persians, Incans, Aztecs but they can't have their pantheon of dietys? Ah yes let me see Julius Caesar, Cyrus II the Great of Persia, Alexander the Great, and Moctezuma were all Christians right, no wait they were Buddhists....

In all fairness I think a few others (even two) can be added to the game; one for the old Europe Gods and one for the Spiritualism that can represent both African and Native American religions.

I do like the idea that Aussie Lurker brought up where the one that discovers the type of religion can figure out which name he wants ... hell since it is a PC game why not let them add the name themselves.

Personally neither of those religions listed are my religions and even though it is a game i would rather not be spreading even in a game world in something i dont believe. I have played Civ since it first came out way back when i was a freshman in high school but it is something like this that makes me not want to continue to play the series. I even only play as the Americans and Germans because those are my two countries and I can't see trying to dominate the world as anything else.

Ironheart

-- Religion is something that I have to deal with on a daily basis, from people at work trying to "set me on the right path" to standing around while some chaplain spouts of some meaningless prayer to our formation. Hell just today I had some mormons come by my door to tell me about their god and wouldnt go away until i told them to take their heathen arses of my porch before i throw them off... Sorry for venting but I had to get that off my chest, i even registered instead of being a forum "lurker" just to do it.

 

[Markus6]

I don't really get how non-religious people can get offended by the religion in Civ. It's depicting it as a political tool used to control the people. It is by no means saying religion is true, it's just saying it has been an important issue in the actions of civilizations. Now if your units could be shot down by lightening because you were trying to destroy a religion, or the missionary units actually tried to convert you not just computer cities then I could understand your arguements.

I agree that some ancient "dead" religions should be included, and I hope they will in expansions.

I even only play as the Americans and Germans because those are my two countries and I can't see trying to dominate the world as anything else.

I'm afraid your post has put you across as religion hating and xenophobic.

 

[Kyriakos]

nice post Markus. The missionary could be a 3d talking model, which informs you about the wonders of religion every time you try to use him

 

[Chieftess]

I think they should keep what they have maybe a few changes and have different types to pick from but only the first to discover that reilgon gets the holy city. So England gets to Monotheism(or what ever) but Rome has already discovered that and has Catholism, well the English want that reilgon but dont want to be subservant to Rome so they create a branch reilgon called Protantism(sp) and later Russia gets to it and creates Orthadox, yes I know this is somewhat what happened in RL but I needed an example. Although this may be harder to implament for reilgons like Confusionism which isnt really a reilgon so much as a way of life.

They still fall under the same umbrella. If you added a branch for every religion, then you might as well make the number of religions 10-fold. The purpose is to have something that's challenging to get. If you get it, great, you have an advantage. If not, well, maybe take another path. It's like wonders in Civ3. Do you want to build the Pyramids? Or use the 10-15 swords you can build for that number of shields and take it? If every wonder was made a small wonder, or there were a bunch of wonders to build, then you'd be too busy building wonders, and lose focus of the game. Not only that, the AI would try to build every one of them, and you'd have a pretty easy time attacking them, since they'd have no army to defend themselves.

 

[Atrebates]

I think the aspects of various religion's names should use a similar method to what was described in the latter parts of 'Should Religions have traits?' thread by Aussie_Lurker and myself. Pretty much what Lurker has described here, although I would add that if you discover the next rung of the theologicical tech ladder prior to the founder state then you can establish a break-away religion, continuing the example this would mean England could establish protestantism to break away from French Christianity without founding buddism for the hell of it- this would better model political machinations of history

If this does not make sense then read my post in 'Should Religions have traits?' for the structure of the idea I imply here

 

[vbraun]

I'm sorry, but atheistic missionries just dont work.

 

[Ironheart]

I don't really get how non-religious people can get offended by the religion in Civ. It's depicting it as a political tool used to control the people. It is by no means saying religion is true, it's just saying it has been an important issue in the actions of civilizations. Now if your units could be shot down by lightening because you were trying to destroy a religion, or the missionary units actually tried to convert you not just computer cities then I could understand your arguements.

I agree that some ancient "dead" religions should be included, and I hope they will in expansions.


I'm afraid your post has put you across as religion hating and xenophobic.

So I hope you are not considering me as one of those "non-religious people" because never once did I say that I didn't have a religion ... i said that neither of these religions are mine. And as for being religious hating ... I am glad instead of discussing things you instead decide to attack my character with the "religion hating and xenophobic" part you ended your post with.

I am xenophobic because I generally always play with the Americans or Germans? And religion hating because my religion is a nature based one where I can't even practice in the Army because it is not one of the Army's recognized religions? It is funny, I have served in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Iraq and continue to serve (getting ready to go to Iraq for my 2nd tour) but yet I don't have my own religious freedom in the nation I serve and love.

Now all that I am asking is for the developers to add in those religions that did have a profound impact on history and society. From naturalistic to spiritual to the giant list of Roman and Greco Gods and Goddesses and all the Mesopatamia and Egypt ones too. I just think it is interesting that they have the same types of religions instead of using the many types that actually existed throughout the history of man .... and last time i checked Civ was about Stone Age to the Future, which means there are some 4000+ years before most of the religions they chose to use.

I am suggesting that they have the key generic terms for certain religions and that each of them have different choices or even an option to input your own name ... I am sure I am not the only one that edits your people's name to something else. I know I missed some types of religions, but I have to get my car to the shop for new tires so I don't have much time.

Polytheism
Monotheism
Spiritualism
Naturalism
Philosophy
Duotheistic
Henotheistic

Oh and this religious hating person has a minor in religious studies ...

Ironheart

"If you think education is expensive -- try ignorance.

--Derek Bok

 

[Dark Khan]

Seven religions is enough without religion specific traits if they had ,More religion can be useful

 

[eg577]

I think there will probably be gameplay reasons why there shouldn't lots of religions.

 

[Markus6]

@Ironheart:
No offence, I'm not trying to say that you hate religion (all religions but your own clearly) or are xenophobic. I obviously don't know you at all to comment. That's just the impression your post gave me. I'm glad it's not the case.

 

[I am the Future]

I Concurr, Without it, the Modern World might never have been. I Would preferr to see a Mod that divides Christianity into the three major branches, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestantism.

But then you are giving a prefrence to christianity as a religion. You triple its chances. Plus name the Protestent Holy City.




@Ironheart You have a good point and also a good idea on how to generalize religions for the game. This makes it PC and fair. Even thow the name of a religion is the only diference anyways and it is just a game so at the end of the day it dosnt matter

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Where is the abilitie to chose no religion let my people be free of the opium of the world (religion)

 

[I am the Future]

Where is the abilitie to chose no religion let my people be free of the opium of the world (religion)

It is a goverment Civics option

 

[Vietcong]

none realy, thear are a few missing, posibly 3 or so. such as zoroasterism

 

[Joseph Stalin]

It is a goverment Civics option

yes you made me happy

 

[Belboz]

Consumerism: The civilization which discovers consumerism would have several advantages and offsetting disadvantages. First, the cultural level of all consumer societies drops to zero, preventing a cultural victory. However, once consumerism becomes the state religion, the inhabitants of that civilization are immune to the missionaries of any other religion. The Holy City of Consumerism will be the Mall of "X" (America, England, Rome, etc.), and will dispatch missionaries from their temples on Madison Avenue to other cultures along trade routes. These missionaries will spread their ideas, lowering the cultural level of wherever they go, making it easier for the consumer civilization to assimilate rival civilzations. The French will be particularly vulnerable to having their culture destroyed by a neighboring consumerist state. The symbol of consumerism will be a pair of golden arches.

 

[Urederra]

onnanism... the "cult" of yourself

 

[Kurioku]

Animism
Asatru
Atheism
Bahá'í Faith
Jainism
Manichaenism
Shamanism
Shintoism
Sikhism
Zoroastrianism

I'm sure you guys can think of others in addition to these. If Firaxis does not include these we can just add them ourselves, right?

The whole point here is to think ruementary and relative. I can appreciate your suggestions, however the game seems to be slowly changing not enmass.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

I think between 14 and 21 religions would be ideal, with around 2-3 options per relevent tech. As I said before, if you restrict it to one option per culture group, then it will be almost impossible for the game to become saturated with religions. At least, no more than it would in the current system.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.