Request: Add Spearmen to the early game

[Uberness]

I would like to see some spearmen early on around bronzeworking, instead of only at metalcasting.

Early vanilla combat went Spear beats chariot, axe beats spear/sword, chariot beats axe, meaning you could beat a large force of one unit with it's counter unit.

Right now there is very little diffience between the 4 early unit's of axe/archer/hunter/horseman, except that horseman get's 3 or 4 movement and 40% vs archers, and that archers are nearly useless full force duo to how easy it is to get 80% vs archers, and that it's near impossible to catch horseman with axeman, and giving hunters a vs mounted bonus would be almost overpowering.

I would like to see spearmen with 3 strength, 50-75% vs mounted, able to use bronze iron and 2 movement (to catch the extra fast cavalry with there 3-5 movement) and come around bronzeworking, I don't think combat should be won over who can manage the most of a single unit (remember vanilla axemen wars?)

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Well, I do think the cover & charge promotions should have the same prereqs as shock.

 

[Uberness]

Well, I do think the cover & charge promotions should have the same prereqs as shock.

I agree with that.

 

[Quetz]

i dunno about move 2, but afaik vanilla cavalry is only move 2 (at least knights are, for sure.) Maybe reducing average cavalry speed would be better idea

I would like to see spearmen in again, though.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

I think the logic in FfH is that rather than than rock-paper-scissors, it's all about force deployment. That is, if you want to go a-pillaging, horsemen. If you're on the defense, archers. If you're in the mood to take territory, it's axemen. To have both this dimension and a rock-paper-scissors effect would be way too complex. I think it's handled well by anti-unit promotions. Rather than building a mixed force of axemen and spearmen, you just make axemen with different sets of promotions.

 

[Gamestation]

Still would be good if cover and formation had the same prerequisites as the shock promotions.

 

[Kael]

Good point on the Cover 2 and Formation 2 promotions. I will change them to require combat 3, just like Shock 2 does.

 

[Grey Fox]

Good point on the Cover 2 and Formation 2 promotions. I will change them to require combat 3, just like Shock 2 does.

Great! I've always thought that it was too easy to make Cover 2 units (I think I've mentioned it a couple of times in the balance thread too )

 

[Sureshot]

tho now this makes formation more difficult slightly, since you need combat2 for the first one

 

[TeraHammer]

why not get that promotion available at combat 1 too, then?

 

[slowcar]

moving formation to combat1 would solve most of this i think. in vanilla it would be imbalanced because of spears, here it would be a good replacement.