Returning Wonders-Elimination Thread

[civviefan]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hubble Space Telescope 18
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 24-3=21 (my least favorite out of the Parisian wonders)
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21
Red Fort 8
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 7
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 20+1=21 (an upvote for one of the 7 original wonders)
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 24
Versailles 21

 

[Xandinho]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 21 + 1 = 22 It's beautiful, and we need Japanese wonders in the game.
Hubble Space Telescope 18
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 21
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21
Red Fort 8
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 7 - 3 = 4 I really like that a lot, but it's redundant to have him in the game since we already have Michelangelo with his works.
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 24
Versailles 21

 

[Siptah]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 18
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 21
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21
Red Fort 5 (8-3) Why two Mughal wonders from India (since I'm sure we'll see the Taj Mahal at some point) where we could have a lot of other wonders from there, too?
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25 (24+1) Medieval science wonder from Africa, do I need to say more?
Versailles 21

 

[Zaarin]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 18
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 20
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22 (21 + 1) -- The fact that it wasn't already included is baffling. The game needs more cathedrals. Lots more cathedrals.
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21
Red Fort 2 (5 - 3) -- There are more impressive Indian wonders.
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[Guandao]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope (18-3)=15 If the International Space Station was eliminated, then the Hubble Space Telescope must go! I don't expect them to implement an orbital layer like BE.
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu (20+1)=21 The Incas should be represented by some kind of wonder. I think they are saving this for when they are added to Civ6.
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 15
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 21 - 3 = 18 (Downvoted because it's always erroneously associated with science in Civ games, rather than aesthetics. If it returns, I don't trust the Civ development team to represent it properly)
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22
Statue of Zeus 26 + 1 = 27 (Was always a great pleasure to see in Civ IV, and I look forward to its return. It has a certain mythic quality to it that makes it a very memorable wonder)
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[Kimiimaro]

A little stupid question: Why is Space Elevator missing?

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 15
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 25-3=22 - Wait, this is a wonder? I don't think so. And can you imagine how it would look in map?
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 22+1=23 - Beautiful symbol of United States. And it would look gorgeous on map.
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[civviefan]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 16-3=13 Not feeling the love with this one, some other cathedral would be better
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 15
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 21 + 1 = 22 Artemis is the coolest goddess out of the available religions. I say we give her a temple!
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[Xandinho]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 15
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 21 + 1 = 22 Among many points explained before, it is a cultural icon of one of the most impressive civilizations in the Americas
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 4 - 3 = 1 As I explained before, it is redundant to include it when we already have the works of Michelangelo
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 21

 

[Zaarin]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 12 (15 - 3) -- Difficult to implement, and even if they added an orbital layer I'd opt for KEPLER or the James Webb Space Telescope.
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 22
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22 (21 + 1) -- One of the most influential structures in Europe, both culturally and politically.

 

[Siptah]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 21
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 9 (12-3) we need to shorten this list and this is a perfect candidate to go soon. I'd like a space oriented wonder on the map though, like the Atacama Large Millimeter Array which is iconic and famous enough imho. + would look nice on the map.
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 23 (22+1) one more for the classical piece of classical architecture
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Guandao]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur (21+1)=22 Probably the best wonder choice to represent Indonesia in the game. There is already a Buddhist wonder in the game (Mahabodhi Temple), but more can't hurt, could it?
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope (9-3)=6 Just not feasible with the current game.
Kremlin 20
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 23
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

I didn't include the Space Elevator because it currently does not exist. I doubt Firaxis would put it in the game due to their lack of focus on the Information Era.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 6
Kremlin 20+1=21
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 5-3=2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 23
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

I want the Kremlin back because they need to do it justice after that appalling display in BNW. I understand they had to cut The Motherland Calls at the very last second but stripping down the Kremlin's old design and handing it Red Fort while transforming the Kremlin into a glorified T-34 factory was just shameful. I want it back and this time I want it done properly!

As for Leaning Tower still just a Tourist Trap and still not a real wonder.

 

[civviefan]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 6
Kremlin 21
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 22-3=19 (it's getting hard to downvote, they're all worthy at this stage. However, Paris is over-represented and this isn't that impressive)
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 23+1=24 (Give Athens its signature monument)
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 6-3=3 - It's interresting thing. But it's impossible to build with one wonder on one tile mechanics.
Kremlin 21+1=22 - I'd love to see it in game, because it's great symbol of Russia and it would look gorgous on map. But this time, Firaxis, rename it to Saint Basil's Cathedral, please!
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 19
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Xandinho]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 13 + 1 = 14 I would like this to come back with the name St. Peter's Basilica
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 3
Kremlin 22
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 19
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort 2
Shwedagon Paya 23
Sistine Chapel 1 - 3 = -2 Eliminated. It is no longer viable since we already have the works of Michelangelo in the game
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Zaarin]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 14
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 3
Kremlin 22
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 20 (19 + 1) -- How is the most iconic piece of Gothic architecture "not impressive"? True, there are more impressive examples of the style, but I imagine most people would have trouble naming them.
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Red Fort ELIMINATED -- Why are you still here?!
Shwedagon Paya 23
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 14
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 23
Himeji Castle 22
Hubble Space Telescope 0 (3 - 3) and Eliminated because, as many have remarked, the current method of representing Wonders just doesn't work for it. I could see it being implemented as one step toward a Science Victory using something other than the 'Wonder' mechanic...
Kremlin 23 (22 + 1) This is really a vote for Saint Basil's Cathedral, which Firaxis seems to mistake for the Kremlin, which is just a large old fort filled with bureaucrats. Saint Basil's, though, could be graphically breathtaking. It would also be a Wonder required to be built adjacent to the City Center, on the far side of a Beautiful Square...
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 20
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Shwedagon Paya 23
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 28
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Manifold]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 14
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 20 (23-3) not that important
Himeji Castle 22
Kremlin 23
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 20
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Shwedagon Paya 23
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 29 (28+1) a must
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

 

[Returning Lurker]

Angkor Wat 26
Apostolic Palace 14
Borobudur 22
Great Mosque of Djenné 20
Himeji Castle 22
Kremlin 23
Large Hadron Collider 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 2
Louvre 21+1=22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein 26
Notre-Dame 20
Panama Canal 23
Parthenon 24
Porcelain Tower 18
Shwedagon Paya 23
Spiral Minaret 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Statue of Zeus 27
Taj Mahal 29
Temple of Artemis 22
Uffizi 14-3=11
University of Sankoré 25
Versailles 22

Both of the wonders I picked are known more for their galleries than the physical structures. Of the two though I feel the Louvre is more important and recognizable. Also the actual building is more impressive so it wins on both counts.