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Maybe you should it playable, but make it more about surviving the onslaught of several empires over the centuries to preserve Greek independence in their native lands.
On a completely different topic, I feel Carthage probably needs tweaking in terms of ressources, starting units, etc. to make the game more interesting, because the empire management is quite bland and the only point of interest is conflict with Rome, which can only be won by really dirty trickery that's more exploitation than anything and makes me feel bad for breaking the game.
On a completely different topic, I feel Carthage probably needs tweaking in terms of ressources, starting units, etc. to make the game more interesting, because the empire management is quite bland and the only point of interest is conflict with Rome, which can only be won by really dirty trickery that's more exploitation than anything and makes me feel bad for breaking the game.
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(latest SVN) Ptolemys starts with Astronomy, thus cannot built the Great Lighthouse from the beginning...
Why not the Greek city states instead of the Antigonids?
The Antigonids controlled Macedonia, some Greek cities and Asia minor, it would be hard to find some UHVs for them. The only option is to try and control Alexander's empire, so they ll share a common goal with the Seleucids
but for the Greeks you can find some more interesting goals, eg:
1) control Greece, Macedonia, Thrace, Asia Minor , Sicily, Marseille etc
2) be the most advanced civ by X BC
3) never lose a city before X
or, you can always make a Gothic civ playable
Europe miss late game Civs
edit: trying a Carthaginian game atm ... do I have to control 6 different type of luxurious goods for the 1st condition? cause I have 2 silver and it counts as one luxury
The Antigonids controlled Macedonia, some Greek cities and Asia minor, it would be hard to find some UHVs for them. The only option is to try and control Alexander's empire, so they ll share a common goal with the Seleucids
but for the Greeks you can find some more interesting goals, eg:
1) control Greece, Macedonia, Thrace, Asia Minor , Sicily, Marseille etc
2) be the most advanced civ by X BC
3) never lose a city before X
or, you can always make a Gothic civ playable
Europe miss late game Civsedit: trying a Carthaginian game atm ... do I have to control 6 different type of luxurious goods for the 1st condition? cause I have 2 silver and it counts as one luxury
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First of all, the Antigonids ruled over southern Greece from Macedon, mostly ruling out the Greek League except for a few cities here and there.
Second, the Antigonid UHVs could be as follows:
1) Insure there are no Roman possessions in North Africa and the East in 70 BC(Anatolia, Syria, the Levant, Egypt, Greece, Macedonia).
This reflects Macedon's (and other Greek states') opposition to Rome.
2) Spread Hellenism to all of Alexander's empire by 30 AD (Christianity) (Antigonid lands are the birthplace of Hellenism.)
3) Unite the Western Greeks (Marseille, Greece, Macedon, Southern Italy, Illyria) by 150BC (earlier/later?)
As for Carthage, I'll get to that in a later post.
Second, the Antigonid UHVs could be as follows:
1) Insure there are no Roman possessions in North Africa and the East in 70 BC(Anatolia, Syria, the Levant, Egypt, Greece, Macedonia).
This reflects Macedon's (and other Greek states') opposition to Rome.
2) Spread Hellenism to all of Alexander's empire by 30 AD (Christianity) (Antigonid lands are the birthplace of Hellenism.)
3) Unite the Western Greeks (Marseille, Greece, Macedon, Southern Italy, Illyria) by 150BC (earlier/later?)
As for Carthage, I'll get to that in a later post.
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Why not the Greek city states instead of the Antigonids?
or, you can always make a Gothic civ playable
This idea appeal's to me!
sorry about that. that is supposed to only happen to the AI when they are out of all their core, normal and broader regions. I think its finally fixed in the SVN and new regular dl will go up today.
it seems like a Greek civ would be fun and I like those UHV ideas.
I have a long term plan to make respawns playable and when that happens everything can be playable. in the meantime we could probably make the goths playable in the manner that Iran and Italy were in DoC, you start as another civ and switch.
the Carthage goals require different types of luxuries yes.
Pandyan changes: replaced Madurai's gems with stone to give them starting production and gave their archer UU +50% city attack.
I'm leaning towards the Antigonids now for the following reasons:
they could control the Levant at the start, making the Seleucids conquest goal much harder and generally making the Diodochi period more variable especially if they all start at war with some units.
their ambitions of legitimacy and intense rivalry makes for good goals like:
destroy or vassalize the Ptolemys and Seleucids
discover Monarchy
both probably to be done before the Armenian spawn, which gives a trade for Monarchy, and the Parthian spawn, which will almost certainly collapse the Seleucids.
the third goal could be something about the greek legacy, since they were based more in the hellenistic heartland than the others
they could control the Levant at the start, making the Seleucids conquest goal much harder and generally making the Diodochi period more variable especially if they all start at war with some units.
their ambitions of legitimacy and intense rivalry makes for good goals like:
destroy or vassalize the Ptolemys and Seleucids
discover Monarchy
both probably to be done before the Armenian spawn, which gives a trade for Monarchy, and the Parthian spawn, which will almost certainly collapse the Seleucids.
the third goal could be something about the greek legacy, since they were based more in the hellenistic heartland than the others
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Almost certainly, given the number of civs present! Sorry if you have a lower end computer...
Edit:
On the Antigonid UHVs:
While it is easy to think of a UHV related to conquering the rival successor states, that's the main focus of the Seleucids, and would make both civs' UHVs too similar.
Now, I am aware that the ambition of the Antigonids was, at least in the years before Rome's rise in the Mediterranean political scene after defeating Carthage in the First Punic War, to reunite Alexander's empire. However, I would vote against such a UHV for the simple reason that conquest UHVs are already quite common, and so a different goal, though nonetheless militaristic, such as thwarting Western Mediterranean imperialism should be preferable for variety's sake.
We also have a UU problem: Macedon is also well known for their phalanxes, and companion cavalry is essentially the UU of the Bactrians.
My suggestion:
The *actual* hoplite, armed with a shorter spear and the large bronze shield, which were still widely used in Greece proper.
The Seleucid "hoplite", Antigonids or not, should really be renamed to "Phalanx" ("Phalangitai").
Edit:
On the Antigonid UHVs:
While it is easy to think of a UHV related to conquering the rival successor states, that's the main focus of the Seleucids, and would make both civs' UHVs too similar.
Now, I am aware that the ambition of the Antigonids was, at least in the years before Rome's rise in the Mediterranean political scene after defeating Carthage in the First Punic War, to reunite Alexander's empire. However, I would vote against such a UHV for the simple reason that conquest UHVs are already quite common, and so a different goal, though nonetheless militaristic, such as thwarting Western Mediterranean imperialism should be preferable for variety's sake.
We also have a UU problem: Macedon is also well known for their phalanxes, and companion cavalry is essentially the UU of the Bactrians.
My suggestion:
The *actual* hoplite, armed with a shorter spear and the large bronze shield, which were still widely used in Greece proper.
The Seleucid "hoplite", Antigonids or not, should really be renamed to "Phalanx" ("Phalangitai").
there were several types of phalanx infantry in ancient Greece.
the first one was the spartan phalanx (see the 300)
then, Epaminondas of Thiva and his Thivan phalanxes ended the dominance of Spartan infantry and brought a new tactical warfare style in Greece.
finally , Philip (Alexander's father) enhanced the phalanx formation and conquered nearly all Greece.
So you can introduce these different units in game , eg
UU for the Antigonids : Macedonian Phalanx (a strong bonus vs melee and cavalry -- their pikes were 6m long! )
Also I agree that they should have a goal to stop the roman expansion towards the east (see 2nd punic war )
Can anyone come up to a UB???
also check this link to see the Diadochi territories, it will help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigonus_I_Monophthalmus
other usefull links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_formation // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_phalanx
the first one was the spartan phalanx (see the 300)
then, Epaminondas of Thiva and his Thivan phalanxes ended the dominance of Spartan infantry and brought a new tactical warfare style in Greece.
finally , Philip (Alexander's father) enhanced the phalanx formation and conquered nearly all Greece.
So you can introduce these different units in game , eg
UU for the Antigonids : Macedonian Phalanx (a strong bonus vs melee and cavalry -- their pikes were 6m long! )
Also I agree that they should have a goal to stop the roman expansion towards the east (see 2nd punic war )
Can anyone come up to a UB???
also check this link to see the Diadochi territories, it will help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigonus_I_Monophthalmus
other usefull links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_formation // http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_phalanx
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