RFC Europe: Extending/Fixing City Name Maps

[JediClemente]

Well, here are the changes I suggest. I know there are more resources than before and that can be unbalanced.

Some of the city suggestions, I'd never build (like Cartagena, Málaga, Gijón and Tarragona), but sometimes the AI can be unpredictable.

There are also less hills in general, the land is less productive this way (as it should).

 

[sk8er AG]

Something I have noticed about Iberia is when the Moors settle where Madrid is it is named Cuenca. Reading a book now about Al Andalus (A Vanished World, Chris Lowery) which mentions Cuenca as a small village 100 miles north of Madrid which was noted for its religious diversity. I think The Moors should name the town in the Arabic name for Madrid. The Moors founded Madrid and i think in Arabic it means place of water? I Know Ma or Mau is water. In normal RFC it goes to Al Magrit i think. Plus there is no C in the Arabic Alfabet so Cueca would be quenqa or Kuenka or some thing along those lines. I also agree would be nice to see Granada make an appearance have seen sevilla on occasion.

Question:What is the latest update for rfcEurope because all photos posted seem to have different colors for civs than I do.

 

[Verily]

Another thing, what if by 1550 the Spanish capital is automatically moved to Toledo (if already conquered), and renamed as Madrid?

Isn't Madrid on the city name map to the north of Toledo? (As it should be.)

Anyway, yes, Seville was much more important than Cadiz. But, since we can't represent Seville's ocean access very well, Cadiz is very much the superior site in-game. (Actually, IIRC the reason for Seville's decline and the eventual prominence of La Corunna in the late 18th century was because the Guadalquivir silted up enough that large ships couldn't reach Seville any more. Of course, by that time the Spanish colonial empire was in severe decline anyway.)

As for other cities in Spain, the Cordobans need Arabic forms for most of the cities in the northern half of Spain. This could be hard to find, but it's kind of silly to found "Cuenca" as the Cordobans. (IIRC it was actually founded as Kunka al-Kazabah under Arab rule. I'm not sure what standards for transliterating Arabic we're using, though, especially since the Arab city name map is in awful shape.*)

*For example, Byzantine Cyrene becomes "Barca" when conquered by the Arabs. Barca is the Greek name for a different city nearby; the Arabs would have called it Barqah. In any case, Cyrene had disappeared by the time of the Arab conquest, and the Byzantine city should probably be Barca if anything (maybe Berenike, which was the period name for modern Benghazi).




On a complete aside, this map explains where Rhye got the silver in Spain from. Maybe the silver should be moved south towards Alicante and another placed near Cadiz?

 

[micbic]

@jediclemente: Thx for the suggestions. If you could cover the whole Iberian area with Medieval era (1000-1300) cities, I would be grateful

And I don't think Madrid was an important city before 14th-15th century, it may occupy a place in the map though.

 

[Verily]

Just founded "Krosno" in western Poland. Krosno is in southeastern Poland; I think this is supposed to be Gorzów.

 

[JediClemente]

The way rivers are in the map, Madrid should occupy the same spot as Toledo or 1 tile north.

It was a very small village until it suddenly became Spain's capital around 1560. But onwards it became one of the most important cities in Europe (as it is now).

That's why I proposed the auto-renaming and palace-moving thingy. Of course it shouldn't make sense from the AI or the player's point of view to found the city, as in the settlermaps it should be just next to Toledo.

 

[Verily]

Another synching issue: Minsk is renamed Nowogrodek when captured by Poland. Nowogrodek is a different city; the Polish name for Minsk is just Minsk. Edit: Also saw the Norse capture Lubeck and it become Kiel; it should be Lybæk.

Is there a better way of reporting these than by posting them here? (Some way to have the most recent settler maps posted?)

 

[micbic]

I could have done it already, but currently am reworking the whole maps instead of doing minor fixes. I will post a new file tomorrow as a 'minor patch' to be included to the next version. Thx for the reports.

 

[jessiecat]

@jediclemente: Thx for the suggestions. If you could cover the whole Iberian area with Medieval era (1000-1300) cities, I would be grateful

And I don't think Madrid was an important city before 14th-15th century, it may occupy a place in the map though.

Be careful what you are suggesting about a whole new list of city names for Iberia. What is there already is not perfect but it does fit, in most cases, for 3 civs. Changing for Spain will mean changing for Cordoba and Portugal as well as all the present Arabic names. A lot of work and could effect civ starts as well.

 

[JediClemente]

Well, at least moving Cordoba 1 tile west and moving some resources should be easy?

 

[jessiecat]

Well, at least moving Cordoba 1 tile west and moving some resources should be easy?

Which is exactly what I'm going to do. Thanks for your map. Resources will be changed much as you suggest. But I'll do it in the morning. It's late here, as it must be in Granada. Buenas Noches. Hasta Luego.

 

[micbic]

A small fix for city names. Kharkiv doesn't become Kremenchursk, Samara doesn't become Petrovsk, Krosno is now Gorzow (Landsberg), Minsk doesn't become Nowogrodek, and La Corunna is now A Coruna. Thx to Lexad, Verily and JediClemente for pointing these out

 

[Allan79]

Hi, a bit of help is needed. I would like to change some of the citynames for the Norse, but for some reason the WB crashes when I try to open the file I downloaded from this thread. I know nothing of coding or suchs. but I think its a version-issue. So a bit of help is needed, please.

 

[micbic]

Indeed it is version-related. I will post the Norse maps as they are right now-make the changes you want, and post the new file, which I will implement

 

[Allan79]

where can I find the current RFCE maps, so I can make some changes?

 

[jessiecat]

where can I find the current RFCE maps, so I can make some changes?

Do you mean the Worldbuilder map? If so, start a game, switch to WB, make some changes and save it as a WB save. Then post it here for everybody to look at. Map changes at this stage will be fairly minor and subject to agreement.

 

[micbic]

@Allan79:There is a file in Assets/Python named RFCEmaps. It includes all settler, war and city name maps, in coded format. If you want to change them just make some ''find and replace'' things in any of these. Transforming one of those into a WB-based map and vice versa is some work indeed.

BTW: I don't know whether the maps should change given the 2 tiles minimum distance...

 

[sedna17]

I don't think the maps should need to change with the increased (minimum) city spacing. The AI was basically told to settle that far apart normally anyway.

 

[Allan79]

I thought it would be something like this

 

[micbic]

IMO the Norse map should contain Viking-era settlements and is the only map that needs much changing. Make sure it is synchronized with other maps.