RFC Europe: Extending/Fixing City Name Maps

[Michael Vick]

I'm having problems with the Spain city name map. According to the game I just played, Madrid is directly East of Toledo(INCORRECT). There are also many problems with the Cadiz-Seville area as it is impossible to found both of those cities. This isn't really a problem with the city-name map though, we just need to go back to the 1 tile city spacing rule. Single spacing is also important if Madrid and Toledo are going to both be founded in the same game, the same goes for Braga and Oporto. (also, is there a way to keep Al-Andalus from consistently founding Granada(garnata) on the Bronze resource? It's kind of annoying. Also... where the hell are the Madeira islands??? They're just- not there....?

I'll see if I can make some improvements to the Spain map. Also, please change the spacing rule, please. I'm willing to give up production for historical accuracy.

 

[Michael Vick]

Oh, I forgot, Spain doesn't have any city names for Southern Morocco, parts of Sicily, Southern Italy, Genoa, and the Netherlands. I'll work on that too.

 

[Michael Vick]

I keep getting errors 2 seconds after the map starts loading.

 

[JediClemente]

I already answered in the other thread, but you can easily change the spacing.

Just look for this lines

<Define>
<DefineName>MIN_CITY_RANGE</DefineName>
<!-- Rhye -->
<iDefineIntVal>2</iDefineIntVal>
</Define>

in Assets\XML\GlobalDefines.xml

and change the 2 for a 1. You shouldn't use Notepad (Wordpad is better).

 

[Michael Vick]

But nobody is going to make city names for the areas I mentioned?

 

[Michael Vick]

Well I get an error when I try to do that, and I think more people would be better off if it just could saved as 1.
Can you even name the reasons why we have it as 2??? I can't.

 

[Verily]

I thought it would be something like this

Instead of Flensborg, which is a more modern city, that site should be Hedeby.

 

[jessiecat]

Well I get an error when I try to do that, and I think more people would be better off if it just could saved as 1.
Can you even name the reasons why we have it as 2??? I can't.

I think I answered that question in the other thread. Most people would not be better off with the 1 tile spacing. Packing a lot of cities into a small space might look good to you historically but all you end up with is a lot of small, crappy cities that you can't defend and produce nothing. And your finances will be crippled with maintenance costs. And you will never win a game either. Is that what you want?
Ask yourself this. Do I want to build a few powerful cities so I can win the game or do I want to build a lot of cities so I can make a pretty map? You can't have both.

 

[micbic]

A to-do list:

1) Remove all accent graves. DONE
2) Replace Vibo Valentia DONE
3) Revise Norse map (at least in Denmark)
4) More work in the Spanish map (Sicily, Netherlands, Peloponnese) PARTIALLY DONE
5) Remove all silly Hungarizations-where there is no Hungarian name use the slavic and do not create a hungarization DONE
6) Expand the Hungarian map to the north

EDIT: Post 263 now.

 

[jessiecat]

A to-do list:

1) Remove all accent graves.
2) Replace Vibo Valentia
3) Revise Norse map (at least in Denmark)
4) More work in the Spanish map (I actually thought I had fixed the Sicily thing)

Have you got a WB version of the Spanish CityName map? If so, I'd like to look at it too. It should have names in N and W Africa, and Sicily. I'm sure it did in the original version.

 

[micbic]

A WB? No, I work them as .txt files (as painful as it may be)...

 

[Michael Vick]

Pretty map is good, but I've learned to deal without it, besides on some instances it does let me found them close to each other.

The bigger problem I have come to discuss is the lack of city names for the Spanish settlers outside of Spain. West Africa, Sicily, Southern Italy, Southern France, the NEtherlands. (I even ran into a blank tile inside of Spain, west of Valencia)

I would gladly do all this myself, but I can't seem to get the map where I edit it open , I keep getting an error right after picking the leader.

Can anyone please, in a very meticulously detailed manner, explain to me (as if I were 8 years old or mentally challenged) how to find the right file, and get to where I can edit it?

 

[jessiecat]

Pretty map is good, but I've learned to deal without it, besides on some instances it does let me found them close to each other.

The bigger problem I have come to discuss is the lack of city names for the Spanish settlers outside of Spain. West Africa, Sicily, Southern Italy, Southern France, the NEtherlands. (I even ran into a blank tile inside of Spain, west of Valencia)

I would gladly do all this myself, but I can't seem to get the map where I edit it open , I keep getting an error right after picking the leader.

Can anyone please, in a very meticulously detailed manner, explain to me (as if I were 8 years old or mentally challenged) how to find the right file, and get to where I can edit it?

As you can see in post 229, Micbic is going to look at the Spanish map again. Let him do that. He's editing all the maps at the moment. As I said before, I think you may be the only person who really wants 1 tile spacing between cities, so it'll probably stay as it is. 2 tiles between cities is about close enough IMO.

 

[Michael Vick]

hmmm I get the feeling you guys just don't want me tampering with those maps.

I'm originally from Spain myself, I think I could contribute.

...
And the Madeiras???
Nobody seems to care, is there a secret anti-Madeira Islands conspiracy I'm not aware of?

 

[jessiecat]

hmmm I get the feeling you guys just don't want me tampering with those maps.

I'm originally from Spain myself, I think I could contribute.

...
And the Madeiras???
Nobody seems to care, is there a secret anti-Madeira Islands conspiracy I'm not aware of?

Feel free to suggest whatever you like but somebody's got to be in charge of different jobs and Micbic is doing maps (for his sins).
BTW You're not the only Spanish guy here. JediClemente still lives in Granada. And why should I hate Madeira? It produced Christiano Ronaldo didn't it? And Man.U beat Porto 1-0 on a Ronaldo goal tonight. Now for the semi-final against Arsenal.

 

[Michael Vick]

"Sid Meier's Civilization 4 : Beyond The Sword has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience."

Every time I try to load a map. Any suggestions?

 

[JediClemente]

Michael Vick, I tell you I already proposed a lot of changes to the city locations and to the map itself in Spain, but at this point it's not worth it. Too much work when other areas need improvement too.

By the way, the game lacks texts in spanish for the most part. I've tried to put them in the wonders I add, yet there's still a lot only in english. It is in my to-do list, but the last weeks I've dedicated more time to RFC:A (and still a bit to RFCE wonders).

It'd be nice if you could help there.

And why should I hate Madeira? It produced Christiano Ronaldo didn't it? And Man.U beat Porto 1-0 on a Ronaldo goal tonight. Now for the semi-final against Arsenal.

(sorry, offtopic)
Oh, so it must be true any englishman from out of Manchester supports United and from the town supports City... Anyway, prepare to be beaten in Roma by the best european squad. I don't need to say which is it.

 

[micbic]

Feel free to suggest whatever you like but somebody's got to be in charge of different jobs and Micbic is doing maps (for his sins).
BTW You're not the only Spanish guy here. JediClemente still lives in Granada. And why should I hate Madeira? It produced Christiano Ronaldo didn't it? And Man.U beat Porto 1-0 on a Ronaldo goal tonight. Now for the semi-final against Arsenal.

Where you ManU fans will be beaten by Wenger's young armada
Returning on topic, post 229 will be used as a general plan-making. Any new info about more work or finished work will be added there, so make sure you take looks at it.
And please, for some not definitive problems (ie city west of Valencia has no name) please post a screenshot

 

[merijn_v1]

I like the idea of 2 tiles between cities. The only comment is what you can see on the picture. This will always happen if Vasteras is build.

 

[sedna17]

Yeah, this is a general problem with requiring 2 spaces between cities. It will require a little adjustment to the code which governs civ birth.

EDIT: I think this same general problem is what sometimes ends up exiling the Dutch to Iceland (with 1-tile spacing).