RFC w Ireland v1 ...new civ, new flag, new everything...well, almost everything

AnotherPacifist · Mar 31, 2010

I thought 5 libraries and monasteries was a breeze (as long as you have 5 cities you can always WHIP them).
It takes a little thinking ahead of time, but Scotland and Wales (which are usually just defended by indy WARRIORS) can be easily conquered as long as you time your conquering on the 3rd turn of the English spawn (it's actually GOOD that they declare on you on spawn because then you won't have problems with free English troops). Then make peace and build tons of troops with your iron to overwhelm London and Penzance.
The Christianity UHV is just plainly too simple as long as Europe is Christian and not Islamic.

antaine · Mar 31, 2010

hm, I hadn't thought of doing the libraries that way. I waited for the English spawn while making another settler, let them spawn, lucked out with peace, founded two more cities, one in western Scotland (which you have to do before they get their settler up there and found inverness) and built them that way.

Perhaps I should raise the christianity requirement to something more ambitious? 80%? Either that or remove all starting missionaries from european civs...After all, Europe is largely Christian today because of Irish missionaries in the dark ages. My concern with that would be if the human player was not playing Ireland, Europe would wind up largely islamic.

Perhaps I need to pick a higher rate and an end point (say, 60% by the end of the Renaissance). The rate should be something that the game will not accomplish left to its own devices (and still allow for spawns-with-missionaries and a natural spread of Christianity throughout Europe), but something that is achievable by the Irish human player by making, say, 15 missionaries before that period.

Actually, what if the uhv isn't the actual % of Christianity at all, but rather the number of missionaries built before X date? I don't know if the game can even count like that, or if it can only count the number of units of a type in existence at any given moment...

...I'm thinking I should probably go with a higher rate and an end date (probably the end of the renaissance) for that uhv...thoughts on what that rate should be before the end of the renaissance?

AnotherPacifist · Mar 31, 2010

A better (and more ambitious) goal would be to have all of Europe (including Vikings and Russians) adopt Christianity AND 40% Christianity before 1400 AD. Since you're starting out with 3000 BC, it's really not out of the question for Islam and even Buddhism to be around and even be dominant. The Dutch often get some weird religion like Islam or Judaism from nowhere. Spain is terrible at opening borders if they don't share the same religion as you, so spreading it by the sword might be necessary.

antaine · Mar 31, 2010

I'd also like to go through and add the "marathon and epic" mod to this, so that you could use any time frame...would such a massive effort be worth it?

antaine · Apr 1, 2010

Alright, I've decided to go ahead and use winmerge to merge the RFC Marathon files with my own. I'm recompiling now, but for some reason when I compile a DLL for scratch it takes 6 or 8 hours...so I'm doing it overnight.

In any event, if it works, I'll post the results as v2, and all future versions of this mod will have different speeds enabled...and yes, that one will include a 600AD start.

Baldyr · Apr 1, 2010

As soon as I don't have the time to actively follow this forum it seems like you pull of something like this. :eek:

Very nicely done! :goodjob:

I haven't got the time to do any actual play testing, but I did notice that you haven't done any custom icons for the Irish UU or UB. Also, there seem not to be any Civilipedia text for Brian Boru. And there is a decoding issue of some sort (or a typo) in the civilization description (second paragraph, third sentence). Other than that - looking good! :king:

antaine said:
Perhaps I should raise the christianity requirement to something more ambitious? 80%? Either that or remove all starting missionaries from european civs...After all, Europe is largely Christian today because of Irish missionaries in the dark ages. My concern with that would be if the human player was not playing Ireland, Europe would wind up largely islamic.

You could just condition the Missionary spawns to whether or not the human player is controlling the Irish. I believe the function you need is CyPlayer.isHuman().

antaine said:
Actually, what if the uhv isn't the actual % of Christianity at all, but rather the number of missionaries built before X date? I don't know if the game can even count like that, or if it can only count the number of units of a type in existence at any given moment...

If you can't find the function you need in the API, you could code the feature yourself. Rhye counts stuff in his code (like UHVs), so you could look at this code. (You need to pickle a variable, and you need to add it to StoredData.py in order to give it a default value. Then you need a function each for setting and getting the value.)

Of course, it would help if you learned some actual Python.

The fact that you really haven't only makes the feat of this modmod even more impressive!

antaine · Apr 1, 2010

Hm, I wrote a description for Brian...maybe I forgot to cut-and-paste it. I'll look into the typo as well.

Good idea with the missionaries. I may do that, or I may raise the rate. Theoretically, the Irish have been exporting clergy to English speaking countries (and non-English speaking ones as well) not only in the middle ages but throughout the age of imperialism right into 20th century New York and Boston.

Thanks for the pat on the back, btw...I'm sorry that I really haven't had the opportunity to do too much python learning (mea culpa, mea culpa)...when I'm not writing my thesis or grading students' papers the only new coded system I seem to have time to learn is the Irish language itself.

I'm going ahead with the incorporation of Marathon and Epic speeds atm, but having problems compiling the new DLL. I've posted a question in the appropriate forum for it, and have an idea I'm going to try to make work in the meantime. With any luck, there'll be a functioning v2 by Easter with enabled speeds, an adjusted UHV and minor fixes before Easter (and a 600 AD start ;-) ).

Baldyr · Apr 1, 2010

About the Epic/Marathon modmod. I don't know if it can be considered finished by any stretch of the word, so you might wanna wait until all features are incorporated proper and all issues have been addressed. Otherwise you might easily end up fixing thing that are already fixed. Indefinitely.

Very good Civilopedia entries, by the way. :goodjob:

I'm so gonna read up on Brian once you include the passage.

antaine · Apr 1, 2010

hm...well, my third try is compiling as I type, so we'll see what comes of it all. For some reason I couldn't merge the marathon mod into my successfully, so I merged the marathon mod with the original RFC (and then made sure it worked), then merged in my Khmer changes and changed get turn code where necessary...we'll see if the compile works now and then we'll see what the shortcomings are.

antaine · Apr 1, 2010

I put the error log to the recompile here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9058821#post9058821

I've just redone it all from scratch after merging the marathon mod into the original RFC and am trying to recompile it...which SHOULD work...but I'd still like to know what went wrong the first two times...

AnotherPacifist · Apr 1, 2010

Just an example of how to destroy all the Gallic cities outside of Ireland before the English spawn:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=359841
I think you've got to make the 3rd criteria more like 60% for it to be a more worthwhile game, or make it 40% before 1400 AD.

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

Actually, I was thinking of raising it to 80%, especially if I can get the marathon mod working correctly

AnotherPacifist · Apr 2, 2010

Um, that's not quite feasible. 80 percent practically means that you have to spread it to every single city in the world, unless you merge the inquisitor mod with your mod.

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

Indeed, 60% it will be.

The only snag at the moment seems to be a python error after merging in the marathon mod. I'm getting this, but I'm not sure how to remedy the problem:

File "RiseAndFall", line 330, in getExileData

EOFError

the line in question reads:

scriptDict = pickle.loads( gc.getGame().getScriptData() )

the lines around it read (it's the second line, below):

def getExileData( self, i ):
scriptDict = pickle.loads( gc.getGame().getScriptData() )
return scriptDict['lExileData']

def setExileData( self, i, iNewValue ):
scriptDict = pickle.loads( gc.getGame().getScriptData() )
scriptDict['lExileData'] = iNewValue
gc.getGame().setScriptData( pickle.dumps(scriptDict) )

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

if this helps, this is the turn by turn python log

Spoiler :

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

the python error is causing a sort-of-"you have been defeated" loss in that one of the first four civs achieves a cultural victory before the autoplay is finished with the first handful of turns.

Baldyr · Apr 2, 2010

About the EOFError - I had some of those myself but can't for the life of me remember what it was, what was causing it or how I get rid of it.

It does seem like it has something to do with pickling. (Storing some value regarding the Exile event, to be more specific) Take a look at StoredData.py and see if there is an entry for "lExileData" in the script dictionary ("scriptdict"). Because if there isn't such a value, then the code unpickling it wouldn't be able to do so.

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

I found it (eventually)...I had forgotten to merge in the lines enabling epic and marathon calculations in culturelevelinfos.xml

Got it working and made the UHVs more challenging. I haven't fixed the text things (like Brian's entry) yet, but that's the next step. I'm putting up the new file now, you can find it at the top of the first message in this thread.

Panopticon · Apr 2, 2010

antaine said:
Thanks for the pat on the back, btw...I'm sorry that I really haven't had the opportunity to do too much python learning (mea culpa, mea culpa)...when I'm not writing my thesis or grading students' papers the only new coded system I seem to have time to learn is the Irish language itself.

Really? It's quite difficult.

antaine · Apr 2, 2010

which is difficult? Irish or Python? Baldyr was trying to give me a crash course all through RFC with Celts development, but I simply didn't have time to absorb or build on alot of what he imparted to me. I feel kinda bad, although I've saved all the messages and at some point when I'm done with this thesis I'll revisit it and try to fill in my python-knowledge gaps, and some C++ to boot.

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